What's new

US pilot labor thread 6/28-7/4

Status
Not open for further replies.
Speaking of brainless, your arrogance in comparing yourself as so superior to others is without a doubt the most obnoxious of any BB posts.

"Speaking of brainless"....I'll take that as your brilliant contribution to the discussion, your solution to the furlough issues, and all things in general. If you could read sir..you'd note that "Careful, you might trump east in the 'wit' department." "Actually?..That wouldn't take any excessive efforts much of the time" was self deprecating, and I'm hardly so arrogant as you might imagine...but then..you'd have to be able to read and actually think to have gotten that. It takes no great degree of arrogance to have little patience for sufffering fools gladly.
 
So Jetz, heres your opening, how many furloughs do you think there will be with this new TA? BTW. Hopefully we can do the same to mitigate ALL our furloughs, and yes, including "Save Dave."
The word from within is that they hope it will cut the announced 950 reduction almost in half, down to around 500 or so. (Dare I say it again... 500-700 involuntary furloughs?) Still far too many. But far fewer than the 1200-1500 (or even as high as 1760) that some predicted.

Just to review, UA announced the parking of 30 737-500's earlier in the year, and then recently announced that it added the remaining 64 737-300's and 6 747-400's (70 more airplanes) for a total of 100 total airplanes. Then UA finally announced it would reduce the active pilot work force by 950 positions, after months of keeping that information confidential, even from the employees and ALPA.

ALPA immediately went to work on approaching the company to reveal their manpower plan, and to discuss options on mitigating involuntary furloughs. Early last week it seemed like there was still little movement on those issues and it was described as "meager." By Friday your above message was posted and a TA with substantial mitigating language was reached.

As an additional point of fact, this TA was reached with no concessions from the pilot group. In fact as of May 1st there was a raise of 2.5%. Keep in mind that ALPA's stance, as well as mine and many on the property is that even 500 involuntary furloughs is too many, and even a paltry 2.5% raise is substandard. However it is a step in the right direction.

I do want to touch on the fact that when I mentioned my predictions originally, there were those who attacked me, rather than hoped for the best. If ours is an example of how to reduce the pain, it could be used as a template for any other group facing similar downsizing pain. But some will only see the glass as half full, and always go negative given the chance.

IMO any union, ALPA, APA, SWAPA, or even USAPA is only as good as it's local volunteers, and not a predetermined product of the national structure. I have said this before and it is worth repeating. I do not credit ALPA National for any benefits I enjoy due to my union, nor do I blame National for the shortcomings. Our union (any union) is a tool to be used by the MEC and LEC's to negotiate and at times demand what we deserve from our employers. It is the hard work of these UA volunteers, my fellow pilots that I trust. It is our unity that empowers them to forward our agenda as a whole. If they were corrupt or self serving or did not have the support and participation of the line pilots, they would fail to protect our interests regardless of the name on the letterhead.

Once again they have done their best in a difficult situation, and have earned my support and trust. And I am confident they will continue to move our group in the right direction. I hope that someday USAirways pilots will find the common ground, unity, leadership and support they need to improve their destiny and move the profession forward.
 
IMO any union, ALPA, APA, SWAPA, or even USAPA is only as good as it's local volunteers, and not a predetermined product of the national structure. I have said this before and it is worth repeating. I do not credit ALPA National for any benefits I enjoy due to my union, nor do I blame National for the shortcomings.

I sincerely hope that you guys can minimize the number of furloughs, and offer up help to those that are "put out". I'd rather see all be proved wrong in any guessing and have the actual numbers fall far short of any such. ONE person put out of his/her position's too many, if at all avoidable.

As for your above?...I'm wondering...what, precisely IS the point of even having any Alpa "National"?...especially given that you credit it for nothing..either by gains or losses. These certainly aren't the best times for line pilots..and..it'd seem to me that offering up funds to ANY, purely parasitical entity's a fool's errand...now, more than ever. Emotional coloration fully confessed to = I despise that pathetic cluster of bloated little ticks at herndon...and see zero reason for their very existence.
 
I hope that UAL can minimize furloughs also. I STILL believe that if you think that they are gonna park 100 airplanes and only furlough 500 guys, you're in LA-LA land.

They're playing you like a fiddle!

Don't bother responding or sending me PMs. I know what you think. I STILL think you are wrong.
 
I sincerely hope that you guys can minimize the number of furloughs, and offer up help to those that are "put out". I'd rather see all be proved wrong in any guessing and have the actual numbers fall far short of any such. ONE person put out of his/her position's too many, if at all avoidable.

As for your above?...I'm wondering...what, precisely IS the point of even having any Alpa "National"?...especially given that you credit it for nothing..either by gains or losses. These certainly aren't the best times for line pilots..and..it'd seem to me that offering up funds to ANY, purely parasitical entity's a fool's errand...now, more than ever. Emotional coloration fully confessed to = I despise that pathetic cluster of bloated little ticks at herndon...and see zero reason for their very existence.

ALPA National is an oxymoron. It has become an old boy's club fiddling while the airlines they "represent" burn.

I prefer to look at the pathetic cluster of bloated little ticks as slugs....You know, those slimy creatures that look like snails with no shells....They are very easy to get rid of by simply placing a saucer of beer anywhere near where you think they may be. In the morning, they will all be in the saucer, stone cold dead but what a way to go. I always use Bass Ale just in case one tries to get away. There is no getting away from that stuff.
 
ALPA National is an oxymoron. It has become an old boy's club fiddling while the airlines they "represent" burn.

I prefer to look at the pathetic cluster of bloated little ticks as slugs....You know, those slimy creatures that look like snails with no shells....They are very easy to get rid of by simply placing a saucer of beer anywhere near where you think they may be. In the morning, they will all be in the saucer, stone cold dead but what a way to go. I always use Bass Ale just in case one tries to get away. There is no getting away from that stuff.

Your point's well taken sir..but..as per ticks vs slugs?..I submit it's merely a matter of aesthetics 😉. I'd say that we've equal justification for either example...BUT..it must be fairly noted that the tick is a proven, parasitical blood-sucker without the slightest redeeming value....whilst the slug's merely a slimy creature that favors hiding from the light of day, and feeding on one's most precious garden produce.😉 In any case...we've fullest agreement as to either creature's intent and purpose 😉 My "tie-breaker" is: Personally?...I'd hate to ever waste any Bass Ale on those sorry bastiges up at herndon 😉
 
Your point's well taken sir..but..as per ticks vs slugs?..I submit it's merely a matter of aesthetics 😉. I'd say that we've equal justification for either example...BUT..it must be fairly noted that the tick is a proven, parasitical blood-sucker without the slightest redeeming value....whilst the slug's merely a slimy creature that favors hiding from the light of day, and feeding on one's most precious garden produce.😉 In any case...we've fullest agreement as to either creature's intent and purpose 😉 My "tie-breaker" is: Personally?...I'd hate to ever waste any Bass Ale on those sorry bastiges up at herndon 😉


FYI, I'm not a "sir" :shock: so that may 'splain my liking for softer bugs. Actually the slugs around my house usually get champagne........if I'm out of Bass. Horrors!

I forgive you for mistaking me for a "sir" but I'm not a "madam" either. I'm just plain Ms. In the spirit of non-forgiveness, I think we should send a case of Ripple over to Herndon. No....make that Mission Bell. Maybe we can stuff some ticks and slugs into an envelop too............GMTA. :lol:

UU
 
FYI, I'm not a "sir" :shock: so that may 'splain my liking for softer bugs. Actually the slugs around my house usually get champagne........if I'm out of Bass. Horrors!

I forgive you for mistaking me for a "sir" but I'm not a "madam" either. I'm just plain Ms. In the spirit of non-forgiveness, I think we should send a case of Ripple over to Herndon. No....make that Mission Bell. Maybe we can stuff some ticks and slugs into an envelop too............GMTA. :lol:

UU

Ooops!...scratches the "sir"..substitutes Ms/Milady/etc. While I find your overall strategy as most agreeable....Sigh...I've still one point I believe worthy of further consideration = Even Ripple-level derivatives are too good for those bastiges up at herndon :lol:
 
FYI:

Treasurer's Report
June 29, 2008

Fellow Pilots,

As this goes to press, chances are many of our pilots have received USAPA’s first dues statement and may have some questions or concerns that I will attempt to address in this update.

As a little background, the Company does not and never has supplied the union with an accounting of monthly pay for each pilot. If you choose to pay your dues via dues check off, normally you are paying the correct amount (1.95%) each paycheck. An issue was created since no pilot paid dues for the period between April 18th and May 1st, whether you were on dues check off or not. In order to estimate the financial obligation for this period we decided to follow past practice and use the W2 information from the previous year and estimate your financial obligation for this period.

We have gone a few steps further and looked at pilots current positions vs. their positions last year, not a perfect science in any case. When making adjustments, we used the current pay scales for your position and equipment and multiplied this by the minimum monthly guaranteed number of hours. Obviously, there are thousands of variables to this process, but we have done our best to be fair. We made hundreds of individual adjustments, each and every one unique. Also, as you review your statement it is important to remember it is not a one month bill, rather it is for the period 18 April thru 16 June.

Since a large number of you signed-up for dues check off early, your bill will be for the two week period in April; it will however amplify slightly if you delayed signing up for dues check off.

For those not on dues check off, your entire yearly billing (with the aforementioned adjustments) will be an estimate, as it has always been. Everyone will always get a full accounting of dues paid for the year in the following January, with either a bill for the balance or refund for the difference. We will also be able to adjust your billing going forward based on your 2008 W2. The beauty of dues check off is again apparent.

Non-members should refer to the ‘Agency Shop Document’ that was mailed by post to all pilots. This document clearly defines your obligations and contains helpful information and guidelines..

For Union Members, we realize there will be a few cases where the status change may increase the amount of your bill. If adjustments are required, they will be made promptly. Please send all requests for review and adjustment to the USAPA office, “Attention: dues reviewâ€￾.

Finally, I would like to add a note regarding the handling of your dues checks. All dues checks are received by a clearing facility in Raleigh, NC under the management of our bank. Each check is scanned, recorded, and the monies deposited directly to USAPA's bank account.

This entire exercise has hopefully made us all more aware of the substantial dollar amount we all pay in dues, which now can be used solely on your behalf. As your Treasurer I remain committed to making sure that all financial contributions are accounted for. Your BPR and Officers are similarly committed to the proper use of our financial resources; your dues dollars.

Thank you for your patience and cooperation.
 
They're playing you like a fiddle! :angry:

Don't bother responding...

Spoken like a true sore loser.

What you believe and what is reality, once again occupy opposite ends of the spectrum.
🙄 (I've already provided the proof.)

Now feel free to have the last word if you must.
 
Spoken like a true sore loser.

What you believe and what is reality, once again occupy opposite ends of the spectrum.
🙄 (I've already provided the proof.)

Now feel free to have the last word if you must.
so 767jetz should we now call you a320 jetz? Furloghed jetz?

You were always giving advice to america west pilots. Once a merger with your america west pilots alpa brothers was announced , you were noticeably absent with your advice. Why?
 
I will add my opinion why. You think you are a big fish in a small pond. You are an example of alpa pilots union. You can either take this as a compliment or a slur. Are you enjoying your big, fat piece of humble pie yet sir?

Sir, do you want to be judged by your piloting reputation, or would you want to be judged by your employers current balance sheet?

The moderators may help your cause, but not your soul.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top