US pilot labor thread 7/13-7/20

[Megasnoop]

I totally agree with your sentiment. But, to set the record straight, someone posted a link to the USA Today advertising rates and it appears that the ad cost about half of what you said...about $122K.

Thanks for the correction. Even $122K is more than I make a year.

And for this I yell: "HURRAY!"

This is not a PR goof by USAPA that will come back to haunt them. It's the line in the sand that real unions are willing to draw and defend. A PR nightmare for the company, yes. But this, too, shall pass. And those customers who actually saw the ad and read WHAT it said, not what the "chicken littles" on USAviation.com THINK it said, will continue to fly USAirways simply because they know that the USAPA-represented pilots are NOT going to be pushed around by a company more interested in saving a nickel than it prudently operating their flights.

AGREED! s

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Hey NLC,

Are you the crying little girl pilot from DP's PHX crew base meeting video from last week with the four kids to feed etc.. etc... Cmon, that must be you

No.

But she's got more cajone's than any ten eastyz.

Try growing a set - and growing up.

Sheesh........ :blink:

 

[Elevation]

When we had Dispatch in PIT, we never had any of these kind of issues. But when it was all moved out to PHX, not many of our dispatchers followed the work.

I thought all dispatch moved to PIT?

 

[freedom]

I will have to disagree on this one.

Though I think the fuel issue is purely political, I think USAPA is playing their hand very well.


{so on and so forth }

1st of all USAPA doesn't HAVE a hand , it's like your sitting at a poker table without chips , you have NO CHIPS ...

The us economy is going down in flames … the price of oil remains at a crippling , company destroying level …


What USAPA is doing is akin to helping it’s own union members slit their own economic throats …. These guys are standing behind you , but their stabbing you in the back , not “getting “ your back ….


You see , without passengers we will go out of business …Even WITH passengers we may STILL go out of business …



Dear USAPA …. You have no leverage , your threats are baseless , the future for your union is doubtful … I admire the way you fought off the world to overthrow ALAP and get rid of the nic award … but you see there’s this wall coming , it’s called REALITY and your about to hit it at 100 miles an hour, brace yourselves .

 

[hp_fa]

Link

 

[freedom]

Link

Oh you posted a picture of the guy who posted that news paper add , thanks .. I’ll keep my eye’s out for him … (he shouldn’t be hard to find , he looks crazy . )

 

[luvthe9]

Dear USAPA …. You have no leverage , your threats are baseless , the future for your union is doubtful … I admire the way you fought off the world to overthrow ALAP and get rid of the nic award … but you see there’s this wall coming , it’s called REALITY and your about to hit it at 100 miles an hour, brace yourselves .

 

[freedom]

:mellow:

 

[Megasnoop]

I thought all dispatch moved to PIT?

My bad. Clearly though, the Isom/Team Tempe mentality is controlling fuel loads, not the dipatchers or the flight crews.

 

[Megasnoop]

What USAPA is doing is akin to helping it’s own union members slit their own economic throats …. These guys are standing behind you , but their stabbing you in the back , not “getting “ your back ….

You mean like ALPA told the EAL pilots not to cross IAM picket line back in 1989? Get real, Freedom. This is all going to blow over in the public in a few days. Even with IAM and ALPA picketing going on, claims of unsafe MX and untrained pilots in the cockpit, the flying public still flew on EAL.

 

[N965VJ]

1st of all USAPA doesn't HAVE a hand , it's like your sitting at a poker table without chips , you have NO CHIPS ...

Not having Chip is a good thing.


This post is double ROT-13 encoded to keep Tempe off my back.

 

[ableoneable]

The company would be the first to blame the pilot for poor judgment. The FAA would be the second. Neither one who step up to shoulder any responsibility whatsoever and it would all go down on record as "pilot error." Bank on it.

As I said earlier USAPA has won round one.

They are, however, playing with fire and all who guard the captain's authority could get burned.


If these eight guys were indeed flying low, with their APUs running all the way across etc. etc. and they were doing it to put pressure on the company it will eventually come out.

USAPA has now cried wolf.

If there is no wolf at the door, the next time an air carrier really does institute a policy that impinges on the captian's authority, and a union, be it USAPA, ALPA, SWAPA or whomever, comes forward publicly to object, no one will be listening.

If USAPA is utilizing this alleged attack on captain's authority to further their cause in negotiations, which I suspect that they are, they are doing a diservice to all airline pilots.

This well runs dry very quickly.

 

[ussnark]

If these eight guys were indeed flying low, with their APUs running all the way across etc. etc. and they were doing it to put pressure on the company it will eventually come out.

Adding 2% to the fuel hardly allows one to "fly low". Do you know you can burn more than expected flying "too" high, also? What if the track gods assign you an altitude and/or different track than flight planned for (it happens more often than you might think)? That "extra" 2% of fuel is now gone.

For the winter months, adding 2% would be prudent.

 

[nycbusdriver]

If USAPA is utilizing this alleged attack on captain's authority to further their cause in negotiations, which I suspect that they are, they are doing a diservice to all airline pilots.

The company started this mess when they took these 8 captains and sent them to a non FAA approved "remedial" training event. Since there is nothing in the FAA approved pilot curriculum that deals with this "class" session, it means that the tactic was a purely arbitrary move by the company.

The union objected and asked that the company follow contractual protocol to solve the problem. The company ignored USAPA's request for proper protocol. USAPA told the company EXACTLY how they would respond if the company did not back off on this unapproved "training." The company AGAIN ignored USAPA.

USAPA followed through with EXACTLY what they warned the company that they would do. That resulted in the USA Today ad yesterday. The company was recalcitrant to USAPA's objections to their ignoring past practice and contractual provisions. The company thought they were dealing with ALPA. USAPA called their bluff.

USAPA's actions were totally upfront and avoidable by the company; it had no direct relationship to the contract negotiations which have just begun. I suspect, though, that it did serve as a de facto wake-up call to the fact that USAPA is NOT ALPA. It may influence negotiations, but it was not the point of the ad.

 

[Pi brat]

No.

But she's got more cajone's than any ten eastyz.


Sheesh........ :blink:

And half the brains. Maybe she needs to be trained about fuel conservation, going direct is not always the most cost effective route. Throw her in the class with the 8 captains.