US pilot labor thread 7/13-7/20

[lynyrdskynyrd]

A man either has serious beliefs and principles..or he doesn't. If they exist; they're not something that one's ever "not so sure" about. For what it's worth...I've seen abundant reasons to consider a great many out west to be complete "slimeballs"..but any of you are still welcome to the jumpseat. One either respects the Profession, and the essential ethics and behaviors that attend to that..or one doesn't. It's really that simple.

Spin it around to make yourself the righteous one, you are good at that. Respecting the profession? Essential ethics and behaviours? How does trying to financially ruin innocent individuals fit in with any of that?

Any east pilot who supports what the usapa leadership has done with the lawsuit is not welcome in my jumpseat, for he has no ethics. I'd love to offer the ethical and professional east pilots my jumpseat, but how do I know who is who? I may be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but that is what it has come down to for me.

Personally, I appreciate the offer of your jumpseat, but I'll walk to work, thank you.

Perhaps the ethical and professional east pilots should chat with their appointed "leaders." Until then, I'll throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sorry, oh righteous one.

 

[EastUS]

Spin it around to make yourself the righteous one,

I don't care what you think of me. You needn't be the least bit concerned what I think of you either. Mutual respect would first be required for such concerns, and I've none for your group's antics. But...There's nothing to "spin" = One's either an actual Professional....or one isn't. It's truly that simple. If you've no understanding of the that..there's no need to pursue this.

Have a Good One

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I don't care what you think of me. You needn't be the least bit concerend what I think of you either. But...There's nothing to "spin" = One's either an actual Professional....or one isn't. It's truly that simple. If you've no understanding of the that..there's no need to pursue this.

Have a Good One

There seems to be plenty you don't understand as well. Have a nice day Captain.

 

[EastUS]

There seems to be plenty you don't understand as well.

Sadly true of all of us within the "Human Condition"...otherwise we'd all be able to actually get along..and I'm VERY clearly no expert in that category.

"Have a nice day Captain." Likewise to you sir.

 

[N924PS]

[quote name='lynyrdskynyrd' date='Jul 18 2008, 07:05 PM' post='627778

Any east pilot who supports what the usapa leadership has done with the lawsuit is not welcome in my jumpseat, for he has no ethics.
[/quote]

Would you characterize sending feces through the US Mail, attempting to jam phone lines and attempted cyber attacks ethical?

 

[mikey60]

Does anyone feel that by letting these pilots go to this school that usapa has given in, the company has won. They are setting the pace from now on. Wait 'till we start talking about money. Usapa gave in, and you'll PAY for it in more ways then one.

 

[EastUS]

Does anyone feel that by letting these pilots go to this school that usapa has given in, the company has won. They are setting the pace from now on. Wait 'till we start talking about money. Usapa gave in, and you'll PAY for it in more ways then one.

Arrrgh!...Missle tone from enemy!!...Triple A all around!!!..Please...just Hold Me! ..gently...sigh 🙄

Seriously?..You're joking..right?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

[quote name='N924PS' post='627785' date='Jul 18 2008, 07:22 PM'][quote name='lynyrdskynyrd' date='Jul 18 2008, 07:05 PM' post='627778

Any east pilot who supports what the usapa leadership has done with the lawsuit is not welcome in my jumpseat, for he has no ethics.


Would you characterize sending feces through the US Mail, attempting to jam phone lines and attempted cyber attacks ethical?[/quote]

No, I wouldn't. But if you read any of the documents related to this suit, you will find that not one of the defendants had anything to do with that. As far as the cyber attacks, same thing. Same thing with the safety hotline. Some defendants were linked with repeated calls to the informational line, but that hardly fit in with all the so called dastardly criminal acts. Childish, ok, but thats a far cry from being criminal.

And the guys who had innocent postings on a private web board were linked with nothing else in the suit. No feces, no jamming, nothing in the mail, no nothing, yet usapa was trying to sue them for several hundred grand a month in damages, legal fees, etc. which become times three under rico. All for a post debating paying dues or not, the same conversations that apparantly some of your own east pilots have been having, unless I'm mis informed and all east guys are actually paying. And to top it off the suit was filed before they were even required to pay anything at all.

I submit that it would be enlightening to actually read, I mean really read, all the court filings. I believe the average line guy would be shocked. Stevie B's slanted updates leave just a wee little bit to be desired.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

[quote name='lynyrdskynyrd' date='Jul 18 2008, 07:05 PM' post='627778

Any east pilot who supports what the usapa leadership has done with the lawsuit is not welcome in my jumpseat, for he has no ethics.
[/quote

Perhaps I should clarify. I can uderstand how a line guy could support usapa's actions regarding the lawsuit if he relies on Stevie B's spun updates alone.

Let me say it this way. If any east pilot has truly read the court documents to see for himself, and still supports usapa's actions, he has no ethics and is not welcome on my jumpseat.

In my own cockpit it is moot, however, the baby is simply out with the bathwater.

 

[EastUS]

I believe the average line guy would be shocked. Stevie B's slanted updates leave just a wee little bit to be desired.

Understand sir..that "your group" is up against "I want the captain seat..and most of all I want every single east pilot to pay for it"..just for one...we all know the "Righteous Positon" BS/etc..a.dn are fully,a nd properly..utterly disgusted by any such utterly bogus BS.

There's truly not ANY presumptious "reason" from this point out west...unless backed up by some actual willingness
to acknowledge the reality of the situation "we're" all in here...that will much benefit any/all of us. From my limited perspective?...I seek no "surrender" from the west..just even SOME conciousness that we're all stuck in this mess together.. and some/ANY actual willingness to move forward. TO be brutally honest?..My life will be fine regardless..and It's never been "About MEEE" in my mind. I do still love the high view..and most especially..those I fly with..but that's about it these days...and it'll be over for me soon enough in any case. My interest is in what I beleive to be Right.

" I believe the average line guy would be shocked." In that..you would be the one surprised.

"Any east pilot who supports what the usapa leadership has done with the lawsuit is not welcome in my jumpseat, for he has no ethics."So be it then..that's but the attitude for a child, and hardly any Professional..but that's on you...and will, hopefully, have many, many years to recall your exercising such judgemet. No matter..it's your life..and not mine. I sleep well.and it's been MANY years since I was so uttelry foolish as to imagine the world being, even the tinest bit.."ALL about MEEE!" I could NEVER look another in the face and even, momentarilly think myself "worthy" of taking 2 decades of experience and work from them..for my own benefit. We're cut from different cloth..and I'll do whatever I can to protect "my" juniors. You're always welcome on any aircraft's jumpseat t "have". 😉

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

" I believe the average line guy would be shocked." In that..you would be the one surprised.

I'm not talking about the garden variety intramural bs, I'm talking about what really went on with this lawsuit. I don't believe the average east line pilot knows what truly went on with the suit. However, if you are correct, and they truly do and I would be shocked, well in that case I've lost alot of faith in mankind.

My life will be fine as well.

 

[EastUS]

I'm not talking about the garden variety intramural bs,

ALL this is actually "garden variety intramural bs,". NO one's to die over any of this...period..and that makes all of this BS an almost amazingly safe environment.

Do make your life a fine one young sir...seriously..all things pass...this mess will as well.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

ALL this is actually "garden variety intramural bs,". No one's to die over any of this...period..and that makes all of this BS an almost amazingly safe environment.

Do make your lfie a fine one young sir...seriously..all things pass...this mess will as well.

Who you callin young sir, I'm 82.

 

[EastUS]

Who you callin young sir, I'm 82.

"I knew there was hope for you" 😉

 

[nostradamus]

Lynyrd quote below;

"Let me say it this way. If any east pilot has truly read the court documents to see for himself, and still supports usapa's actions, he has no ethics and is not welcome on my jumpseat.

In my own cockpit it is moot, however, the baby is simply out with the bathwater."
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another lynrrd quote below;

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Posted on: Jun 25 2007, 10:41 PM

"As a west pilot, I'm not high fiving anything. I personally think Prater is finally getting the right idea, but you obviously disagree, thats fine. If you work towards finding new representation, thats fine also, I respect that.

It may not work out the way USA320 writes it out though. Ultimately, it will work itself out one way or another, and we'll all deal with it one way or another. And as long as I have a jumpseat, you are welcome on it, we'll just talk about girls."


Typical Nick fever hypocrite from america west.