US Pilots Labor Thread 1/13-1/20

[cleardirect]

Exactly. It's about fairness and the duty of USAPA to represent all USAirways pilots fairly. USAPA's actions while unpopular with some pilots were absolutely necessary to restore fairness to the seniority integration. As Eye has described USAPA has a right to defend their actions by putting the Nic list on trial.

underpants.

For pure entertainment there is no place better than here.

Fairness has already been determined by an arbitrator. While unpopular with some pilots it is finished.

Oh please let Seham show to the court room trying to put the Nicolau on trial. He will be arguing the wrong case in the wrong courtroom. He will be caught total unprepared.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Again, All Irrelevant!!!!!

WAS USAPA FORMED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVADE BINDING ARBITRATION THUS COMPLETELY DISENFRANCHISING THE WEST?

Watch the Youtube videos....crystal clear.


USAPA has far more to fear in the Discovery process than the West because the West has no FEDERALLY MANDATED RESPONSIBILITY or DUTY TO FAIRLY execute anything with the new (fake) Union.

Your moronic leaders and the Ambulance chaser were dumb enough to make the West's case for them in plain view. I can only imagine was the transpired between private emails from the "national leaders"

We'll see soon enough.



Chat room "Evidence"? So you're saying it's illegal for the sheep not to go willingly to slaughter? I guess in the brain damaged USAPA world of Delusional Grandeur it is... Good Luck Counselor!!! 🙄

Hey! If they want to try to argue something irrelevant, let them. It just makes our case that much easier. Although I believe the folks we hear from here are not truly representative of those who will be handling the case for USAPA. But then maybe they are that... I won't say in fear of the moderators censoring me...

 

[Megasnoop]

You have been around long enough. You do understand the difference between NEW and REPLACEMENT aircraft correct? The 321 is a REPLACEMENT aircraft.

What revisionist history are you talking about?

I understand the difference. on revisionist history, your MEC didnt know the difference back in May 2006 when you claimed entitlement to 90% of the slots on the 3 "new" (or were they "replacement?") 757s. You should have taken our original offer of 33% slots immediately (1/2 CA, 1/2 FO). You didnt and lost the slots, settled day before arbitration for a promise of 1/3 the slots after a single contract. C-D, point is, the difference has always been murky, on both sides. That 321 was a "new" (as in "unused") aircraft, wasnt it? What did it replace? Back to the daily bash, the courts are going to sort all this out sooner or later. Why all this continued fighting? usapa cant win the age 58 freeze and we all know it. usapa cant negotiate a contract with a company that doesnt have to. No deadline, no bad faith by parker just sitting on his budweiser. They dont even have to show up til we section 6 them in December. Well get back our pre-LOA-93 pay in December and section 6 them. Then theyll have to negotiate. momentum shifts in December, not before. snoop

 

[cleardirect]

Indeed.

It'll be good enough to just produce the mountains of material from the AWAPPA chat room, the AOL chatroom, and others', as well as documentation regarding agressive evasion of membership and/or dues obligations...(think crew news videos too...)

That'll be persuasive enough for any juror to determine who and how they were not being treated /represented fairly by USAPA.

Cheers.

Stop! Stop! Stop! You guys are killing me. I am busting a gut here. Really! Seriously! Someone on the east needs to get a pacer account and spend some time reading documents.

Obviously usapa is not going to post all of the court filings so someone needs to be responsible and distribute the information.

First off read the complaint. AWAPPA is not part of the suit. Do you see their name anywhere? Have you read the response from AWAPPA? No it is not posted on the usapa site. Here is just a taste

Irrelevant

Irrelevant

Irrelevant

This is what the judge had to say about USAPA’s subpoenas.

II. Discovery Planning
Accordingly, USAPA will be granted time to complete limited, focused, and nondilatory discovery. It should be noted, however, that the interrogatories submitted as an attachment to USAPA’s reply (doc. # 143-2) do not meet this standard. They are overbroad and would forestall efficient resolution of the certification question. The parties will therefore be ordered to confer about a schedule conducive to completing appropriate discovery within the allotted time.

So if Mr. Seham wishes to continue wasting time pursuing irrelevant discovery good for him. AWAPPA is not party to the suit. The chat room discussions will never see a court room. Besides what an individual has to say is personal business. Now e-mails between usapa officials. That is relevant to the DFR. Videos of statements from usapa officials that has meaning. Videos from some pilots, irrelevant. Starting to get the picture?

USAPA has a federal duty. Individuals have no such duty.

 

[des nudo]

Dream on. The only question in front of the Judge/Jury is this: Did USAPA fail in it's Duty to Fairly represent the West pilots?

I'd say that the overpowering of the minority, and the attempted wholesale restructuring of a BINDING agreement that would result in a "pure win for the East and a pure loss for the West" (as the Judge categorized it) with ZERO regard for the west pilots or their input falls into the category of DFR.

OK...and this is the core of your case? I hate to crack you all up, but this is where it's going to go all wrong for you, either with Wake, or the next court up the ladder. Essentially leaving each side with what they brought to the merger regarding protected seats and upgrades is not a clear loss for West, and allowing the bidding out based on DOH ranking allows for nervous westies to bolt if they choose to from the leisure side of the house.

"ZERO regard for west pilots or their input falls into the category of DFR..."

Are these the same west pilots that refuted the union? attempted to bankrupt it through frivolous grievances? (as has been bragged about by westies)
failed to apply for membership to said union? the list is long, as you well know.

Further, the DOH principles were well disclosed prior to the election of USAPA as the new CBA....just like they are at every other workgroup employed at LCC.

No, just as the "AWAPPA" won't be named specifically, the individuals who were "members" may well be...just as you have attempted to litigate against the East in a class-action manner by naming each east pilot as responsible for the actions of a union.

We'll see, won't we?

 

[Tiger 1050]

Sometimes I feel like this guy arguing with the ass... I wonder why all we hear from the easties is pure hearsay? There is never any court documents or quotes to back up their theories! Oh well this is how it will be I guess...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJJA1vvMc4I...feature=related

 

[ClueByFour]

Hi Nic4us,
I understand your apprehension about discussing the matter of two very senior pilots and their job well done. The sad reality is F/O Jeff Skiles would be severely affected by the Nic list. I would not be surprised if USAPA called him to be a witness during a jury trial. God that would suck for the West guys. It would probably go something like this:

It'll go:

How senior does one have to be to land on the Hudson as opposed to in Flushing Bay? And if your contention is 20 years, can you explain how the HP pilot group successfully avoided medium sized bodies of water and dead bodies during it's history?

No lawyer worth his salt will open that can of worms. Of course, Seeham, OTOH.....

 

[nic4us]

Hi Nic4us,
I understand your apprehension about discussing the matter of two very senior pilots and their job well done. The sad reality is F/O Jeff Skiles would be severely affected by the Nic list. I would not be surprised if USAPA called him to be a witness during a jury trial. God that would suck for the West guys. It would probably go something like this,


Eye,

I do not mind discussing the matter of a job well done, I just do not think it is appropriate or relevant to seniority integration.

I understand that F/O Skiles is impacted by the Nic list, we all are, still flt 1549 and seniority integration are unrelated, and irrelevant to each other.

Further, it would be an even bigger mistake to bring it up in court.

Nic4

 

[Phoenix]

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Watch the Youtube videos....crystal clear.

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And don't forget Wikipedia too. They are a reliable and respected source too, ya know.
The West's Wiki

 

[Pacemaker]

If the east wants to start playing the safety card maybe we should talk about "Operation Restore Confidence".

 

[des nudo]

If the east wants to start playing the safety card maybe we should talk about "Operation Restore Confidence".

Yeah, great idea...go ahead.

I can see it now: "West pilots begin negative campaign against USAirways safety record"

All while I can't get a channel that isn't talking about "Sully" and crew, and their "heroics"...EVEN from the NTSB investigators.

What are you? Nuts?

Go for it.