US Pilots Labor Thread 1/6- 1/12

[Crzipilot]

Well I believe that the pay rate schedule you see on the USAPA website is just that. A schedule in spreadsheet format to lay out what the scales would look like. If you look at the top it says "scenerio" Such as here is one aspect of what the pay could look like. Of course you would have to go back to the actual LOA's and see what they say, then on top of that, go back into negotiating notes, and see what the actual intent of the the written language was, that was put into the LOA's.

What I would find as funny, would be if the rates to jump back up 18% with us still under seperate ops. Then could we discuss how the west pilots could have a pay raise if they would just accept the idea of DOH??? And put out slides and such talking about how much money the west pilots are costing themselves by not coming to a rational solution to the whole deal.

since the 12th year pay differences will be about 20/hr for capts and 15/hr for f/o's at 12th year pay. A little more significant than the 7 or 8/hr difference for f/o's now.......

Hmmm...definitely interesting.....

 

[cleardirect]

There is a lot of speculation but no facts so far. As usual. Is USAPA going to weigh in on this matter with an official update? After all “good union pilotsâ€￾ only believe what officially comes from the union not from a web board. Someone going to the BPR meeting today. How about asking the question.

If the rates do snap back fine that is the deal you made. We all have to live with the deals that we make.

Doug has made the statement many times that the two contracts cost him the same in total to move passengers. If the east gets an 18% increase in rates. That simple increases the cost for east pilot a large amount to do the same thing you have been doing with no increase in productivity. The company gets nothing for the extra cost. In today’s economic climate. Where will the next round of cuts come from? Where will the block hours be shifted? Can you say whipsaw?

US Airways is going to lose somewhere in the $1.5 to 2 billion dollar range for 2008. Adding an additional $80 -150 million in salary expenses. That is about the contract increase that has been offered. Doug will be looking for a way to cut those expenses. DH to PHL from PHX to fly the international flights. Shift more block hours to PHX and run us through the east coast. Let the east fly more and more 190’s at those pay rates.

Be careful what you wish for.

There is winning a battle and there is winning the war.

 

[Hawkhunter]

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[cleardirect]

Actually, Parker said HP would have been liquidated and US would still be in bankruptcy.

Try to get your facts straight, for once.

When and where did Parker say that?

Watch the latest crew news from PHX.

Parker clearly states that we did not have time to do a deal like DAL/NWA. In less then 30 days AAA was going to liquidate.

Parker's words. Those are the facts.

 

[Crzipilot]

Well sure, you guys can fly a couple of Int'l flights, but I believe it's maybe 2??? At the same time, the shifting of block hours east and west can certainly happen, but only to such a degree of how many flights you have that you can funnel enough crews to do it. DH'ing the crews in large numbers will start to kill your revenue to a point of negative return.

Essentially, as I told a J/S one night, as he asked why I wouldn't take a 7.00 pay raise for accepting the NIC, I explained that the two airlines were at polar opposites in terms of contracts. East at it's lowest it ever has been, and the West is basically at it's highest. the sad thing is the east was much further ahead of the west, and was beaten down to the west levels (actually below) and you guys now want to turn around and throw that in our face.
tis just interesting....

 

[Richard]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

FINAL REMINDER:

Any further posts which argue Who saved Whom will be deleted in their entirety (even if they address other issues) and the poster will face time off.

STAY ON TOPIC-the issue of which division would have liquidated without a merger is no longer relevant to the labor dispute at hand, and is considered flame bait, as has already been illustrated here.

Thank you.

 

[luvthe9]

US Airways will report loss, cut capacity
Wed. January 07, 2009; Posted: 04:25 PM

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Jan 07, 2009 (The Philadelphia Inquirer - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) -- LCC | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating -- US Airways said today that it will report a loss for 2008 and will further cut capacity -- flights and seats -- this year to deal with weaker travel demand in a sagging economy.
Philadelphia's largest airline, which shuttles two-thirds of passengers at Philadelphia International Airport, did not say how large a loss it expected to post for 2008. The airline is scheduled to report full year and fourth-quarter earnings on Jan. 29.

Wall Street analysts expect a loss of $1.77 billion, according to Thomson Reuters estimates, due largely to fuel-related losses in the second and third quarters last year.

According to a US Airways filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the Tempe, Ariz.-based carrier will cut U.S. mainline capacity by 8 percent to 10 percent this year, and reduce total mainline capacity, including international travel, by 4 percent to 6 percent in 2009.

US Airways said as a result of the "deteriorating macroeconomic environment" cargo and other revenue will be less than earlier forecast.

But new "a la carte" revenue initiatives -- fees for checked bags, soft drinks, choice seats, and ticket-change charges -- are still expected to generate $400 million to $500 million in additional revenue a year, the company said.

In a separate SEC filing, US Airways said its mainline traffic declined 1.1 percent in December to 4.7 billion revenue passenger miles, while capacity fell 6.4 percent, compared with the same month a year ago.

The airline flew 4.66 billion revenue passenger miles last month, down from 4.71 billion in December 2007.

The airline said its planes were 80.3 percent full, compared with 75.9 percent in December 2007.

"Looking forward, we continue to be cautiously optimistic about the demand environment," said US Airways president Scott Kirby.

The airline industry was hit with soaring fuel prices in the first half of last year, and to compensate reduced the number of seats and flights in the second half of the year. The downsizing helped keep planes full during the holidays.

Shares were up 0.44 percent, or 4 cents, to $9.10 early this afternoon on the New York Stock Exchange.


Would not want to be on the west side!!!!!!!!

 

[Hawkhunter]

Check the top of your list pal.

 

[Hawkhunter]

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Please reconsider.

Why? we just feel the love coming from the west. Heard about that J/S thing? I agree with TJ I am over you girls and guys as well. You in the west are banking on the nic at our expense , period. Lets just wait and see what happens .

 

[sharktooth]

Please elaborate...you have an airline that loses nearly $5 Billion in the decade-and-a-half preceeding the merger, is in it's second BK and by many accounts is on the verge of liquidation, yet now that same system and markets somehow are so robust and profitable as to "underwrite" the money-losing west?

I don't know who or what you consider "many", but most of the employees listened to Jerry Glass when he announced that US would re-enter bankruptcy in order to attempt to scared employees into giving more. Lakefield, then CEO, said they were not going because of financial difficulties but because the previous CEO did not "do his job". In other words, they felt they had unions like ALPA on the run and felt they could get more from yet another abuse of the bankruptcy system.

Though Ronnie Raygun allowed corporations to hide a lot of numbers, look at the remaining numbers. The east is "underwriting" the west. Pretty clear.

 

[sharktooth]

Parker's words. Those are the facts.

How many brewskis did he drink before? He is contradicting what he said before.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Well sure, you guys can fly a couple of Int'l flights, but I believe it's maybe 2???

Two of the European flights flown or announced when the transition agreement was signed. Any European flights added since then, plus the two allowed by the TA, could be flown by west crews with A332's or 757 ETOPS - they can't fly the A333's or B767's until pilot integration.

Jim

 

[Elevation]

The logically challenged made one of those "talkies" and its in color. Looks like they use the same producer as Osama. They should really rein back on there electrifying personalities it's drowning out there message lol.

Date of hire DoDo's in there full glory!!

 

[traderjake]

Why? we just feel the love coming from the west. Heard about that J/S thing? I agree with TJ I am over you girls and guys as well. You in the west are banking on the nic at our expense , period. Lets just wait and see what happens .

You're wrong about the Nic award, the J/S and you're wrong about me. I'm an East pilot.

 

[traderjake]

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