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Will you try for the 3 or the 8 month? Would you have been happier if the package had med benefits included for the duration? Just curious
8 months followed by 3. Of course benefits would be better. My organization reimburses me monthly for benefits because I don't take any medical/dental since I am fully covered with US. Flying 40 is well worth the effort for me due to the benefits. Believe me, it's not the money that keeps me here.
 
Case in point. Keep stepping . No worries . One of my best friends said similar. Maybe I just care too much about others. This whole nation is going down the crapper.
Do you only care about those junior to you, and do people who have spent decades here matter at all? How do you objectively consider the needs of a junior F/A as greater than a more senior one? Who are you to judge a person's situation?

Seniority is the only fair way.
 
Perhaps the LECPs from other bases do not want to fill our inboxes with an explanation of why they did the right thing....they give us credit for knowing that the integrity of the contract should not be jeopordized by something like this.

Ditto.

We scream seniority yet when the devil throws us a crumb that has the potential to land us in a can of worms and our Reps throw it back in their face... we have those among us who have the audacity to scream foul.

If you want to have a hissy fit, why don't you have a hissy fit over the fact we don't have a combined work force, no joint contract and if we did have a joint contract most if not all layoffs would be out of PHX.

By the way, no offense to the PHX f/a's. Hell, I don't want to see anyone laid off.

The company doesn't have the moral integrity to do the right thing which is to offer a separation package for f/a's with 5 or more years that are 55 and over and keep them in our group insurance until they are eligible for Medicare. That's far more affordable than COBRA.

If they did that...they'd be tearing the doors down to leave to the point that the company would have to hire.

That would be cost neutral.
 
What a perfectly vicious little circle huh? I care about people SR too however, it seems to me those scales have been tipped for quite some time in their favor. When does it slightly even out? At USAirways never. And that will be the final line in the story of this place.
 
I've been reading both sides of the argument and I understand where both sides are coming from. While I see the "union" doesn't want to give in to the company and they want the voluntary furlough to be offered to everybody, I don't necessarily agree with their vote. First of all, there are very senior people in PHL and Charlotte who would love to take the furlough with the medical benefits. The company's proposal is not that unreasonable. They were trying to find a win-win but the union didn't want that. Now, nobody gets any medical benefits and a whole bunch of us will either get furloughed or even worse displaced. Now people from all different bases are going to take the furlough which will cause many of us junior people who aren't furloughed to be displaced to other bases where we can't afford to live. I know you senior folks preach about seniority. I see your point. But guess what, reserves have no seniority. NONE! We have nothing! Do you hear me? We have nothing! You all say seniority is the only fair way, but we have no seniority whatsover. So how is that fair? So it's fair for some of you to have seniority rights but not for the rest of us? That makes no sense. Here we are making $1100 a month and always being threatened of being furloughed and displaced. Most of us have been furloughed and displaced numerous times. Now, we once again must face another involuntary furlough or displacement. The company treats us like sh!t. I'm not saying the junior f/as needs are greater than the senior f/a. However, with the furlough the company proposed, even if it did go against our piece of sh!t contract, at least there wouldn't be displacements because more people would most likely take the voluntary furlough and they would take it from the bases where time will be reduced. But, oh, I forget, at US Airways, no one cares about you, especially if you are a puke junior reserve. It's just all about me Miss Senior Sally who's never lived the life of a reserve! There is no concept of morals or doing what is right. It's more like, I only care about myself and will screw you over in a heartbeat just to get what I want then justify it by saying that it's only fair because of seniority. There is nothing fair about throwing one group under the bus just so another group can fully benefit. Of course, I don't even see how the senior group can fully benefit since there are no medical benefits. So, I guess you are happy not only screwing the junior people but also you own senior colleagues. Sure there is a fair way, but the union nor the "membership" would never go for that because we can't have anything that would benefit anybody else. We can't have anything fair because it's all about seniority. If it's fair, then that would be everybody would have a piece of the pie and we can't allow that, now can we?
 
My concern has been, is, and will remain, with the Philadelphia flight attendants.

Regards,

John

I commend John for having the PHL base's back, but the other 4 bases disagreed with him. My only concern here is that PHL is becoming the new PIT, thinking it is somehow the center of the universe. Oh I forgot, they got the majority of PIT f/a's. Well, there you go.
 
The sad thing is, after ten years you would think you would have seniority to have a flexible schedule to work into your daily life. Not at USAirways. 10 years gave me 9 months of reserve a year and only fly weekends the months I could hold a block. That shows something definitely wrong with the system. A lot of people with my seniority would jump at the chance to leave if there was a good VFLR buyout or VSIP offered at our seniority. I put in for the last one along with about 45 other people with over 10 but less than 15 years seniority. Too bad we didn't qualify and they didn't even get enough. I didn't wait, but most of my friends are waiting for something good. Now my friends are worried they won't even be able to hold this VF. If they do get it, they will probably get the 3 month which will bring them back just in time to be on reserve during Christmas. My myspace has been busy today with all the news.
 
While I see the "union" doesn't want to give in to the company and they want the voluntary furlough to be offered to everybody, I don't necessarily agree with their vote. First of all, there are very senior people in PHL and Charlotte who would love to take the furlough with the medical benefits. The company's proposal is not that unreasonable.
Regardless, the company is not stupid. They know good and well the 4-1 vote would work in their favor by angering many. THEY won. If you all want to be angry at anyone, be angry at management and their continued joke offerings to the f/a's to go away. 150 f/a's to rid of and the company can't afford benes enough to offer it system wide??? If THAT is the case, we are all F*****!! THAT is where you guy's heads should be, not fighting about side letters and seniority!
 
5 minutes of seniority at any other airline gets you more than 10 years at US. :down:
 
FlightChic-

I am with you but the problem is most of the people on this property did sit RSV. The ones from the 60's will tell you it was BAD. The PI gals will tell you how horrid it was. But worse some complain about the passing system we were hired under. Yeah they sat RSV for 2 month some 4-5 years, like is normal. Not 10-18 years with no end in sight giving up every holiday. Hey, the Sr rsvs in PHL just had their OFF July 4th taken away from them. Again, no end in sight. So a JR person pays union dues just like a sr person. what makes one persons interest more important than the others year after year after year? That dog just won't hunt after all this time.
 
If it's fair, then that would be everybody would have a piece of the pie and we can't allow that, now can we?
I read this as, 'Let's share in the misery', not 'let's bring the reserves up and improve the reserve system'. Let's take away SOMETHING from the seniors! Why do we have to concede anything instead of improving the entire system?

Concerning the leaves:

Our unit secretary in DCA said that there were lots of interest in the August leave from seniorities of 99 and later. Not that many senior people applied.

I think that the upcoming leave will be the same. Most people just can't take an 8 month vacation with no pay in this economy.
 
I read this as, 'Let's share in the misery', not 'let's bring the reserves up and improve the reserve system'. Let's take away SOMETHING from the seniors! Why do we have to concede anything instead of improve the entire system?

Concerning the leaves:

Our unit secretary in DCA said that there were lots of interest in the August leave from seniorities of 99 and later. Not that many senior people applied.

I think that the upcoming leave will be the same. Most people just can't take an 8 month vacation with no pay in this economy.

You should be eligible for 6 months of unemployment as with the other VF's. Heck, in most states that is equal to what our most junior reserves make in a month of flying.
 
I read this as, 'Let's share in the misery', not 'let's bring the reserves up and improve the reserve system'. Let's take away SOMETHING from the seniors! Why do we have to concede anything instead of improving the entire system?

You misread that. I would never screw anybody over just so I could have my way. I want everybody to have something better. However, there are many in this company who will and who do screw others over, including the union. Yeah, the reserves are screwed over and over, but I would never want to screw the BHs just so I can have everything. I don't work that way. Two wrongs don't make a right. In an ideal US Airways, everyone would have a system that worked without hurting one group for the benefit of the other. That's not what our union or company is all about, now is it?
 
I sat reserve in CLT for 14 years...Some of which were under this gruesome system we have now.

In fact, I was on reserve last November. Just in time for Thanksgiving. And I have 19 years with company. I know your pain in Spades.

Instead of biting each other's heads off....we should be raising hell at the company to get us out of this 7th ring of hell and make the reserve system a system that has a quality of life.

Our old reserve system had quality of life and it's a template you should look at.
 
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