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And he represented us well when he was here at AFW. So 2 out of 3 overhaul bases say it was a bad deal, but it is a line versus overhaul debate. Hmmm

Actually this is strictly a international/local 514 and title 2 versus the rest of us battle. They are the ones pushing the great divide in order to hold onto their cushy jobs at the hall. It is too bad that 74%, if Siri's number is correct, chose to ignore the truthful information that was available to them. This time around, there was no excuse for not knowing what was in the contract.

A few steps might be missing here:

Results were not disclosed for over 12 hours.

Certfied Results appear to be missing from our view.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vW8nVjGgtCA
 
Not directed towards me but myself and others read it.

And more than once you have responded to my postings not directed at you either.
Ripping after or questioning another's post seem to be common policy here by you and others.

Here though, you stated something was "FACT"




So what is your source?
Were you there? Or are you repeating the fear mongering rhetoric coming from Pine Street?
Are you expecting some sort of accountability here or something?!
 
So what is your source?
Were you there? Or are you repeating the fear mongering rhetoric coming from Pine Street?

Yes I was there so go back to your AMFA dot to dot colorbook and crayons or whatever you were doing the few days after the vote when you were M.I.A., Big people are trying to interact.
 
Yes I was there so go back to your AMFA dot to dot colorbook and crayons or whatever you were doing the few days after the vote when you were M.I.A., Big people are trying to interact.



Yourself and your cohorts especially Peterson are totally in favor of a split. In fact one of your negotiating team faction members said it in a room of Union only negotiators.

You stated "Sam let the line stations know that he felt that the line mechanics had no right to try and share their opinions on the contract with his guys". If even true I would be willing to bet that statement is taken out of context or the whole story isn't included.


You were there in the room of "Union only negotiators" when this was said?
Really?

Whatever happened to your demands for decent and friendly discussion? You seem to be overly agressive, was there not enough concessions for you in the "deal"?

You are angry about something...what is it?
 
You were there in the room of "Union only negotiators" when this was said?
Really?

Whatever happened to your demands for decent discussion? You are angry about something...what is it?
No Fact is I wasn't in the room or even there for that matter. I was pulling your chain. Yes I am aggravated not really angry at the divide we have at a time when UNITY is needed and the split keeps getting bigger.
 
No Fact is I wasn't in the room or even there for that matter. I was pulling your chain. Yes I am aggravated not really angry at the divide we have at a time when UNITY is needed and the split keeps getting bigger.

That is what happens when a Union uses deceased and lies to prevent a representational election from happening.

When the Union is only on the property because of underhanded actions, lies, and misrepresentations, there will never be a strong and unified Union. The TWU made this bed in 2003-2004 go complain to those that made it and forced you to sleep in it.

I once heard a man say "NO VOTE - NO PEACE", and it really turned into "NO VOTE - NO UNITY"

So you lie, or pull chains, or whatver is takes to deflect away the "facts" that you really do not have?
Are you an appointed or elected TWU Leader?
 
No Fact is I wasn't in the room or even there for that matter. I was pulling your chain. Yes I am aggravated not really angry at the divide we have at a time when UNITY is needed and the split keeps getting bigger.

"unity is needed"
Coming from someone who fears a craft, democratic
union while hiding behind an alias.

Priceless!

Vote AMFA!
 
No Fact is I wasn't in the room or even there for that matter. I was pulling your chain. Yes I am aggravated not really angry at the divide we have at a time when UNITY is needed and the split keeps getting bigger.

Other than title 2, only one local is going in a different direction, and that is 514. So how can you speak of unity when your officers are the ones who broke rank from the rest of the AMT represented locals? Are that truly that smart, or do they have their eye on a bigger prize, such as an international job for selling a bad deal? But you are going to get your unity with the line when those of us getting layed off arrive from AFW and take over your eboard next summer. Unless you guys intend to block us out somehow.
 
Other than title 2, only one local is going in a different direction, and that is 514. So how can you speak of unity when your officers are the ones who broke rank from the rest of the AMT represented locals? Are that truly that smart, or do they have their eye on a bigger prize, such as an international job for selling a bad deal? But you are going to get your unity with the line when those of us getting layed off arrive from AFW and take over your eboard next summer. Unless you guys intend to block us out somehow.

I plan on doing some blocking of that myself. You might be able to run for Office in AMFA Local 12 but not TWU Local 514.
 
That is what happens when a Union uses deceased and lies to prevent a representational election from happening.

When the Union is only on the property because of underhanded actions, lies, and misrepresentations, there will never be a strong and unified Union. The TWU made this bed in 2003-2004 go complain to those that made it and forced you to sleep in it.

I once heard a man say "NO VOTE - NO PEACE", and it really turned into "NO VOTE - NO UNITY"

So you lie, or pull chains, or whatver is takes to deflect away the "facts" that you really do not have?
Are you an appointed or elected TWU Leader?
The first question is lame and does not really deserve an answer other than I have a sense of humor that makes me laugh sometimes, I have already answered your second question in several posts about what my status is if your memory or attention to detail is that bad I am very sorry.
 
The first question is lame and does not really deserve an answer other than I have a sense of humor that makes me laugh sometimes, I have already answered your second question in several posts about what my status is if your memory or attention to detail is that bad I am very sorry.

You are the one who first stated something was "fact", when you did not really know if it was indeed fact.

Then you claimed you were there in the room and heard it.

Then you claimed you were not there but "pulling my chain".

Those are all your words not mine. So if there is any "lame" or humor to it, then look inside yourself.

How do I know you were not "pulling my chain" on any questions I have asked and you have answered?
Memory has nothing to do with it anymore, it comes down to credibility once the "game playing" with "facts" begin.
 





Published 20 Apr, 2012

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
During my years in the U.S. military, I learned valuable lessons that have stayed with me ever since. Never box yourself into a corner, always keep your options open, and be sure to have a long-range battle plan.
That’s exactly the strategy our union has followed as we face, together, one of the toughest battles of our professional lives: The bankruptcy crisis at AMR, the parent company of American Airlines.
Since the beginning, the TWU has pursued multiple approaches to defend our jobs, our wages, our pensions and our health care. Our members and their families deserve nothing less.
Our multi-part strategy includes:
  • Working closely with unions representing pilots and flight attendants at American;
  • Educating politicians in cities where our jobs and families are at great risk;
  • Assembling a “dream team” of economists and lawyers as our key advisors;
  • Staging visible public campaigns, such as our "Save Americans Jobs" effort that has won support from thousands of citizens.
Our strategy now also includes the supporting of a possible merger with US Airways, if certain conditions can be met. The possibility of a merger was announced today, with support from TWU, the Allied Pilots Association (APA) and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants (APFA).
We don’t know, at this time, whether a merger will actually take place. So we are also preparing for the possibility of a hearing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, where AMR executives will attempt to reject our labor contracts. Bankruptcy courts are not friendly to working people. They are designed to protect the financial interests of the companies involved, not the real human beings who work for these companies.
It’s not a television show like Judge Judy, where the judge can bang her gavel and insist on “justice”. There is a difference between what is legal and what is just, and bankruptcy laws are routinely used to achieve outcomes that are not only unjust but not justifiable.
While we don’t agree with how the bankruptcy code is currently structured, we’ve made it our business to understand how it works. We are ready for an aggressive courtroom battle.
At the same time, because we understand the risks of the bankruptcy process, we have spent weeks upon weeks trying to arrive at a consensual agreement that would keep us out of court. Your TWU bargaining teams have worked tirelessly to chip at AMR’s concessionary demands, trying to get the company to back off on key issues.
As I write this letter, we are close to hammering out changes which will result in a “last, best offer” from AMR that is significantly different from the company’s original demands. As I have stated before, you will have the opportunity to vote on this last offer (or tentative agreement if it reaches that level). This decision is vitally important to each of you and your families, and you deserve an opportunity to take it seriously and make it personally.
We also do not want to close off any alternative that might create opportunity for TWU members. In the wild world of Wall Street and bankruptcy court, two things are certain: Workers and their families get unfairly hurt and savvy players must keep every option open. That’s where the possibility of a merger with US Airways comes into play.
US Airways management has approached TWU, as well as pilots and flight attendants, to discuss the changes they would seek in our labor contracts if they were able to merge and acquire American Airlines. The company is currently profitable and could elevate American to a top-tier carrier. If a merger were to take place it could help turn around our airline, give us new management and a path towards a more positive future, something that has long been missing in our work lives.
That’s why the TWU, along with APA and APFA, announced today that we are prepared to support a possible merger of American Airlines with US Airways on two conditions.
  • First, if US Airways’ restructuring plan for labor concessions is clearly less drastic than what AMR has demanded.
  • Second, if the U.S. Bankruptcy Court allows US Airways to enter the bankruptcy process and propose a formal plan designed to take AMR out of bankruptcy and make American a great airline again.
How this plays out remains to be seen.
Nothing is certain in bankruptcy. We will continue on all fronts, because our bargaining teams will not rest until we have explored every possible option to protect our members and our families.
  • We will fight in the unfriendly halls of U.S. Bankruptcy Court.
  • We will bring out, for your vote, a last, best offer or tentative agreement that reflects our efforts to avoid termination of our labor contracts by the court.
  • We will continue to support a possible US Airways merger, if it can be done with employee support from the beginning.
In this critical situation, it’s clear that the decision by our union to pursue multiple options is the best strategy for our membership.
I will continue to keep you posted all along the way.
In solidarity,
James C. Little
International President, TWU...Return


I just love revisiting the BS this union spews. I just can't find the fight like hell quote.

Tell me what hammering out did the TWU initiate, other than getting hammered?

How did their multi-part strategy work out for them.
Little, phat man, gless....the dream team.
 
"Sam Cirri has more positive leadership qualities in his little finger then you seem to have on your best day by being Genuine and truthful and cares about the membership as a whole which anyone can argue and put their spin on it."

You've got to be kidding. Sam has done a decent job as Local 514 president but is on the WRONG SIDE of the LBO 2.0 I think everyone will see next week on the 15th of Aug when Judge Lane refuses to abrogate the pilots contract.The pilots will then gain even more control and leverage over management and we will be left holding this POS LBO 2.0 contract that that Sam and the TWU leadership sold to all who bought it.
"Frustrated AMT at TULE"

VOTE IBT!!!
 
Published 20 Apr, 2012

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
During my years in the U.S. military, I learned valuable lessons that have stayed with me ever since. Never box yourself into a corner, always keep your options open, and be sure to have a long-range battle plan.
That’s exactly the strategy our union has followed as we face, together, one of the toughest battles of our professional lives: The bankruptcy crisis at AMR, the parent company of American Airlines.
Since the beginning, the TWU has pursued multiple approaches to defend our jobs, our wages, our pensions and our health care. Our members and their families deserve nothing less.
Our multi-part strategy includes:
  • Working closely with unions representing pilots and flight attendants at American;
  • Educating politicians in cities where our jobs and families are at great risk;
  • Assembling a “dream team” of economists and lawyers as our key advisors;
  • Staging visible public campaigns, such as our "Save Americans Jobs" effort that has won support from thousands of citizens.
Our strategy now also includes the supporting of a possible merger with US Airways, if certain conditions can be met. The possibility of a merger was announced today, with support from TWU, the Allied Pilots Association (APA) and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants (APFA).
We don’t know, at this time, whether a merger will actually take place. So we are also preparing for the possibility of a hearing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, where AMR executives will attempt to reject our labor contracts. Bankruptcy courts are not friendly to working people. They are designed to protect the financial interests of the companies involved, not the real human beings who work for these companies.
It’s not a television show like Judge Judy, where the judge can bang her gavel and insist on “justice”. There is a difference between what is legal and what is just, and bankruptcy laws are routinely used to achieve outcomes that are not only unjust but not justifiable.
While we don’t agree with how the bankruptcy code is currently structured, we’ve made it our business to understand how it works. We are ready for an aggressive courtroom battle.
At the same time, because we understand the risks of the bankruptcy process, we have spent weeks upon weeks trying to arrive at a consensual agreement that would keep us out of court. Your TWU bargaining teams have worked tirelessly to chip at AMR’s concessionary demands, trying to get the company to back off on key issues.
As I write this letter, we are close to hammering out changes which will result in a “last, best offer” from AMR that is significantly different from the company’s original demands. As I have stated before, you will have the opportunity to vote on this last offer (or tentative agreement if it reaches that level). This decision is vitally important to each of you and your families, and you deserve an opportunity to take it seriously and make it personally.
We also do not want to close off any alternative that might create opportunity for TWU members. In the wild world of Wall Street and bankruptcy court, two things are certain: Workers and their families get unfairly hurt and savvy players must keep every option open. That’s where the possibility of a merger with US Airways comes into play.
US Airways management has approached TWU, as well as pilots and flight attendants, to discuss the changes they would seek in our labor contracts if they were able to merge and acquire American Airlines. The company is currently profitable and could elevate American to a top-tier carrier. If a merger were to take place it could help turn around our airline, give us new management and a path towards a more positive future, something that has long been missing in our work lives.
That’s why the TWU, along with APA and APFA, announced today that we are prepared to support a possible merger of American Airlines with US Airways on two conditions.
  • First, if US Airways’ restructuring plan for labor concessions is clearly less drastic than what AMR has demanded.
  • Second, if the U.S. Bankruptcy Court allows US Airways to enter the bankruptcy process and propose a formal plan designed to take AMR out of bankruptcy and make American a great airline again.
How this plays out remains to be seen.
Nothing is certain in bankruptcy. We will continue on all fronts, because our bargaining teams will not rest until we have explored every possible option to protect our members and our families.
  • We will fight in the unfriendly halls of U.S. Bankruptcy Court.
  • We will bring out, for your vote, a last, best offer or tentative agreement that reflects our efforts to avoid termination of our labor contracts by the court.
  • We will continue to support a possible US Airways merger, if it can be done with employee support from the beginning.
In this critical situation, it’s clear that the decision by our union to pursue multiple options is the best strategy for our membership.
I will continue to keep you posted all along the way.
In solidarity,
James C. Little
International President, TWU...Return


I just love revisiting the BS this union spews. I just can't find the fight like hell quote.

Tell me what hammering out did the TWU initiate, other than getting hammered.

How did their multi-part strategy work out for them.
Little, phat man, gless....the dream team.

The man lives a world of complete fantasy and words in letters. While he continues to live untouched by the massive concessions he has mastered over the years, we all sit back and allow it because we listen to the same fear of change that he uses to cause ratifications of the massive concessions.

It is time to leave this Union of unaccountable men that live in a world of fantasy.

Sign you cards, VOTE AMFA, if that doesn't correct this problem, I will be the first to lead us into something different then too.

Just don't sit there and take this crap anymore. Do Something!
 

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