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You've got to be kidding. Sam has done a decent job as Local 514 president but is on the WRONG SIDE of the LBO 2.0 I think everyone will see next week on the 15th of Aug when Judge Lane refuses to abrogate the pilots contract.The pilots will then gain even more control and leverage over management and we will be left holding this POS LBO 2.0 contract that that Sam and the TWU leadership sold to all who bought it.
"Frustrated AMT at TULE"

VOTE IBT!!!

Going backwards into another majority rule organization that the AMT's would be a minority in is not the answer.

It is simple math and a basic understanding of how majority rule actually works.

Everything else is just rhetorical campaigning. Do you want to end up like the Title 2 group in the TWU and hoping and praying that you are allowed to have more than your share of voting power in the organization to advance your needs and concerns? Hell NO!

With AMFA, the AMT will be the majority, and American Airlines members will be the majority at the National Level. For once we will have the majority rule and accountability in every aspect of the organization.

We should begin mending the divide between overhaul and the line by giving the Line the Union they have wanted for years. That would be a good start to mending the fences and creating a unified Union. The Teamsters do not have the structure needed to overcome the problem. Going to the Teamsters would be taking two steps backwards to every line AMT that has only just begun to enjoy seperate locals. And even those of us in Tulsa would end up in the Houston Local. NOT GOOD and a downright mistake for sake of change.
 
"unity is needed"
Coming from someone who fears a craft, democratic
union while hiding behind an alias.

Priceless!

Vote AMFA!

Call it fear or whatever you like not really important to me especially when you, the one with all the right answers can't even police and answer for your own short comings with helping give positive recognition to an organization that is truly destroying our Craft. Watching you ignore the questions about it but answering and debating everything else is defiantly Priceless!!

Your total ignorance of what online security is or means is amazing. Then your almost trademarked "hiding behind an alias" comment time after time makes your ignorance shine even brighter. Throwing ones identity out there and making it known everything you are involved in, where you work, where you live and who knows what else you have shared can make you a prime target if you were to ever have the wrong person cross your path on the net. You strike me as the real tech savvy sort that does all your banking, bill pay and family personal information homemade database on a computer that has the fabled ironclad windows built in firewall as your sole protection thinking you are untouchable. I have known a few people that have had their lives turned upside down from stupid easily avoidable decisions and it only took them once to learn. When I seen comatose's new colon mask avatar I thought it was him but now I am leaning more toward it is you because it accurately reflects the type thinking you have shared with me here.
 
Call it fear or whatever you like not really important to me especially when you, the one with all the right answers can't even police and answer for your own short comings with helping give positive recognition to an organization that is truly destroying our Craft. Watching you ignore the questions about it but answering and debating everything else is defiantly Priceless!!

Your yes vote just outsourced more work than any organization that you guys keep harping on.
Why is it that outsourcing of work matters, until you vote yes to let it happen?

I cannot grasp the double standard that applies on nearly every aspect of the union debate.

Hell the TWU supported Bill Clinton and he signed NAFTA. Talk about job loss and outsource of work.

The old saying "Do as I Say, not as I Do" applies here once again.
 
Other than title 2, only one local is going in a different direction, and that is 514. So how can you speak of unity when your officers are the ones who broke rank from the rest of the AMT represented locals? Are that truly that smart, or do they have their eye on a bigger prize, such as an international job for selling a bad deal? But you are going to get your unity with the line when those of us getting layed off arrive from AFW and take over your eboard next summer. Unless you guys intend to block us out somehow.
If you or whoever comes up here and you can do a better job I would vote for you makes no difference where you are from.
 
Your yes vote just outsourced more work than any organization that you guys keep harping on.
Why is it that outsourcing of work matters, until you vote yes to let it happen?

I cannot grasp the double standard that applies on nearly every aspect of the union debate.

Hell the TWU supported Bill Clinton and he signed NAFTA. Talk about job loss and outsource of work.

The old saying "Do as I Say, not as I Do" applies here once again.

As I read yours and others posts that reference outsource, benefit cuts, layoffs, work rule changes etc. the understanding I get from what is typed is that you and others try to debate this like it is just new term negotiations when in FACT this is BK somewhat negotiations where the law of the land resides in the companies corner. I Promise I have really tried to look at it as you and others do but I just don't understand and that is where I am stuck. Right or Wrong depending on who you ask I really can not justify in my own mind that vision of the big picture.
 
Call it fear or whatever you like not really important to me especially when you, the one with all the right answers can't even police and answer for your own short comings with helping give positive recognition to an organization that is truly destroying our Craft. Watching you ignore the questions about it but answering and debating everything else is defiantly Priceless!!

Your total ignorance of what online security is or means is amazing. Then your almost trademarked "hiding behind an alias" comment time after time makes your ignorance shine even brighter. Throwing ones identity out there and making it known everything you are involved in, where you work, where you live and who knows what else you have shared can make you a prime target if you were to ever have the wrong person cross your path on the net. You strike me as the real tech savvy sort that does all your banking, bill pay and family personal information homemade database on a computer that has the fabled ironclad windows built in firewall as your sole protection thinking you are untouchable. I have known a few people that have had their lives turned upside down from stupid easily avoidable decisions and it only took them once to learn. When I seen comatose's new colon mask avatar I thought it was him but now I am leaning more toward it is you because it accurately reflects the type thinking you have shared with me here.

I will repeat again for you because you are a fearful
person and yes voting coward.
"unity is needed"
Coming from someone who fears a craft, democratic
union while hiding behind an alias.

Priceless!

Vote AMFA!
 
http://www.gordiangroup.com/peter-kaufman-speaks-with-cnbcs-street-signs-about-the-twu-american-airlines-and-a-potential-merger-with-us-airways/
 
I will repeat again for you because you are a fearful
person and yes voting coward.
"unity is needed"
Coming from someone who fears a craft, democratic
union while hiding behind an alias.

Priceless!

Vote AMFA!
I guess I can live with the fact of the joke of a spokesman for our "Craft" you proclaim to be. If you do not possess the gnads to answer the question about ARSA I guess I will have to live with that also because your reasoning and answer would probably make about as much sense as all your finger pointing and name calling has so far.
 
As I read yours and others posts that reference outsource, benefit cuts, layoffs, work rule changes etc. the understanding I get from what is typed is that you and others try to debate this like it is just new term negotiations when in FACT this is BK somewhat negotiations where the law of the land resides in the companies corner. I Promise I have really tried to look at it as you and others do but I just don't understand and that is where I am stuck. Right or Wrong depending on who you ask I really can not justify in my own mind that vision of the big picture.

Well I will try to sum up my view. Outsource, benefit cuts, layoffs, and work rules changes are indeed part of this industry.

What is not part of it, is the idea of peddling concessions for jobs that will be lost anyway while taking the same actions and expecting a different result.

In my mind, any company that wants to compete must have a happy and productive work force. Cutting pay under the claim to keep heads when we are in my opinion not productive and not accountable now and it is obvious headcount reductions will exceed the claimed numbers. The 2003 concessions for jobs made that problem worse and we still lost thousands of jobs from the work group. We didn't get what we paid for then, and we will not get what we paid for this time either. There have been for along time too many employees not doing enough. And to cut the pay of those that should have stayed just to keep those that shouldn't have stayed compounded the problem not corrected the problem.

My complaint with your earlier posting was that you volunteer to allow what you keep attacking Ken for and that is outsource of work.

Ken is not to blame anymore than you are, but you cannot attack one person for outsourcing and then turn around and vote yes for an increase in outsourcing. At least not and maintain any credibility in this discussion. It is that double standard that gets me complaining.

Most that are low in seniority are not going to agree with the idea about keeping less heads that are more porductive while paying them better. I can understand why that is. But at some point it will be realized that this is the only way for overhaul to survive. Cutting pay and benefits which does nothing to increase productivity and bringing in more work to keep those left busy is another attempt at a previous failed policy. Cutting pay and benfits angers those staying, while RIF's and higher pay will keep those still working willing to improve production and help management. Angry workers are not going to help turn this sinking ship around.

All management did was address the false excuses they have been using to explain to upper management why they have failed to meet measurement goals. (shift rotations, 7 day coverage, PV days, Overtime Rules,4 x 10's shift work ect. ) Once the excuses are gone, we will soon find that the real problem still remains and that most if not all of the coming changes did nothing but prove they were less than honest about what the problem is. Angry workers will still be digging the hole deeper, not helping to dig out.

But don't deflect away from the double standard you invoked regarding the outsourcing of work. Sure Ken might have been better served politically to not be involved with an organization that promotes outsourcing of work. But neither should you have voted a massive headcount cut and increased outsourcing because your feared what might happen if you took a stand. The TWU has been using the same tactic for years to exact concessions for AA Management. It just so happened that this time they used the bankruptcy laws. But you casn be assured that everytime we enter into negotiations with the TWU there always has been some form of fear to control the voting outcome. Everytime, not just this time.

I doubt this got you seeing any big picture, because I have not seen that myself after 29 years of TWU supporters claiming that picture exist. The only big picture is that which is true and just, and this farce of a Union and farce of a management team is far from that definition.

We can change Unions and my hope is that this will force a change of management. Just a hope, not a promise. But I know doing the same thing over and over is not going to even provide any hope.
 
I guess I can live with the fact of the joke of a spokesman for our "Craft" you proclaim to be. If you do not possess the gnads to answer the question about ARSA I guess I will have to live with that also because your reasoning and answer would probably make about as much sense as all your finger pointing and name calling has so far.

Don,

The only joke is the one played by the international
on all those they got to vote yes on. Vote yes to
save jobs with a t/a that has unwritten language. Oh,
since the appointed, unaccountable ones don't
have to live under concessions they promoted
you won't mind allowing the company to keep
the money they matched your prefunding with. Now
THAT'S funny.
 
Yes I was there so go back to your AMFA dot to dot colorbook and crayons or whatever you were doing the few days after the vote when you were M.I.A., Big people are trying to interact.

So you were one of the retards holding a yes sign with you ramper savior Cirri!!!!!
You stupid f%#€s could not even put your pop up shade tents up!!! Fn losers!!!
 
Don,

The only joke is the one played by the international
on all those they got to vote yes on. Vote yes to
save jobs with a t/a that has unwritten language. Oh,
since the appointed, unaccountable ones don't
have to live under concessions they promoted
you won't mind allowing the company to keep
the money they matched your prefunding with. Now
THAT'S funny.


Don! Crystal baller!!!
Ken has more integrity in his skinny finger than you have in your fat thumb up your ass!!! He has done nothing but promote our class in every possible way!! Unlike you, you fat unelected, money stealing, wife cheating piece of ####! You on the other hand have sold out the AA mechanics and screwed the entire industry! For imported cigars, top shelf liquor, sexataries, six figure income and unlimited A4 passes!!!!
How do you sleep at night ? Karma will get you and All the International sellout pukes!! I hope I live to see it!!!!
BECAUSE IF I DO, I WILL PISS ON YOUR GRAVE!!!!!
 

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