WEST MANAGER ABUSE EAST EMPLOYEES

[HPearlyretiree]

God we should have just fired all of you East cry babies! Your work ethic sucks, your job knowledge and skills are lacking, you ability to change is non existant, Just go away and shut up you bunch of east coast union 50 years in the past menial union mentality workers.
None of you have any future not only in aviaton but any other business (except maybe gov't).
It may be harsh but my words are true!

Amen to that!!!

Bunch of entitlement culture whiners.

 

[necigrad]

But I'm willing to bet there are pretty good managers on the west .. and there are probably also equally bad managers on the east.

Not in Vegas! Every Company has bad managers; it's the dynamics of society. You may work with 100 people, and most will be fine to work with. Some will be exceedingly fun to work with, and there's gonna be a few assholes in the mix as well. Judging from recent experiences, however, collectivly US management is not acting professionally. ALL employees, East and West both, must be treated equally, within the confines of each groups CBA. No member of management should display favoritism to any one group.

On a side note, will you idiots (pretty much everyone that posted an east this/west that commet, give it a rest? Seriously, whether you like it or not, we're all one company. Whether you like it or not, we're all coworkers. Comments like "God we should have just fired all of you East cry babies! Your work ethic sucks, your job knowledge and skills are lacking, you ability to change is non existant" are inflamatory and childish. The ONLY references that a grown adult should make to East and West are regarding CBA and flight operations. Hell, some former East people work for West and some former West people probably work for East. Comments like these are segregating. It's effectivly discrimination, and does nothing other then further unnecessary and inappropriate animosity between two groups of coworkers.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

This is what I just LOVE about your posts. Statements not supported by facts.

Turnover rates would be one measurement of "Work Ethic" so perhaps you could share the respective turnover rates for East & West?

Additionally one could argue that Tempe is also a huge proponent of the entitlement culture as they always seek to blame everyone but themselves when things go wrong. Just ask Scottyy "Unfavorable Jet Stream" Kirby, he seems to be the lead apologist and blame deflector.

Isn't widely considered to be a positive character trait to admit mistakes instead of blaming others?

So to the question regarding the "Entitlement Culture" is who learned it from whom? Did the Sandcastle "infect" the east workers with their blame everyone but themselves approach or was it the other way 'round?

East vs west, union entitlement vs individualism.

As for turnover analysis, I don't have the data, neither do you. The easties had "the blame everyone but themselves" when they were flailing on their own. Nothing new there.

Change happens, you either adapt or die. America West doesn't exist, pre merger USAirways doesn't exist.

Last week I flew on W and E. The west flight was pleasant, no problems, just an average flight. The east attendants were surly, I had an attendant bend down to eye level and yell "turn it off turn it off turn it off!" to me because I wasn't turning off my Ipod fast enough (we had just started gradual and the announcement was made a few seconds before she went ballistic. The lead FA, as the plane was still boarding (on time) got on the PA and scowled "Get in your seats, we could have left by now!", but people were still on the jetbridge. We pushed back on time, no need to yell at the pax.

The upshoot, both sides need to find a middle and understand where they are coming from and treat the customers well first, because without customers, nothing else matters.

 

[sharktooth]

East vs west, union entitlement vs individualism.

Invalid comparison, on so many levels. Are you suggesting that the west pilots are individuals? Are you saying that seniority is a union entitlement? I've got news for you. Seniority is not limited to unions. Even, gasp, the government respects seniority. Almost every corporation respects seniority in one form or another.

Surely the east pilots are exhibiting individualism by breaking away from an obviously moribund organization whose only connection with union is in their name, "association". It appears that the wet pilots are really on a union entitlement, expecting to cash their lottery tickets.

Change happens, you either adapt or die.

I hope the west pilots are ready for a different union. Get ready to adapt or ........

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

if you work in one of the 38 cities that have both east and west employees--and you have a west manager that has told--

Some East managers have been abusing their staff for years. Why should the former HP managers be any different? 🙄
Bad station management is not confined to the HP side; as has been discussed previously, upper management has tolerated this. One thread asked for an example of a station manager being terminated for performance. No one could remember an instance.

Since the merger, there does seem - anecdotally at least - to be more of an attitude of management considering front line staff as being rather disposable.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> The east attendants were surly, I had an attendant bend down to eye level and yell "turn it off turn it off turn it off!" to me because I wasn't turning off my Ipod fast enough

You should’ve gotten all writey-uppey on her!

Can retirees be Ghost Riders?

Sounds like a cøst NUTral idea to me.

 

[US1YFARE]

Or at least a good Cross-Slapâ„¢

 

[flyinawa]

Surely the east pilots are exhibiting individualism by breaking away from an obviously moribund organization whose only connection with union is in their name, "association". It appears that the wet pilots are really on a union entitlement, expecting to cash their lottery tickets.
I hope the west pilots are ready for a different union. Get ready to adapt or ........

Uh, yeah....I don't think so. You guys are all the same. "USAir was so wonderful before Doug came and blah, blah, blah" and "We East are really running the show and you West guys need to just bend over and accept a stiff blah-blah-blah in the blah-blah-blah". Yeah...good luck with that. We're all just cogs on the same gear. You're no better, we're no worse.

New union? Seperate operations? Are you really that stupid that you don't think that will create an industry whip-sawing the likes of which this industry has never seen. And they say the Westies have their heads in the sand.

 

[Hadenough]

If ignorance is bliss there are two people on here who must have very blissful lives. Great post WTF CLT.

 

[flyinawa]

Isn't always deflecting blame to others, be it ATC, Unfavorable Jet Stream, Customers won't pay for it an even worse sense of entitlement as it also adds a level of arrogance that no hourly worker could ever muster if they lived to be 1,000? Why are executives "Entitled" to a bonus when customers suffer the worst performance in commercial aviation? What indeed give Doug Parker a valid reason to think he is entitled to one dime in bonus while making customers and employees suffer through the SABRE/SHARES cutover?

Speaking of entitlement aren't customers entitled to an on time arrival with bags in a clean copmfortable, non duct taped plane? Aren't customers entitled to a response to a concern sometime BEFORE they die?

Now what exactly were you referring to with this "Union Mentality, Sense of Entitlement" Bull Feces??

I see Dougweiser & Scooter arrogantly viewing themselves as being entitled to rewards & richs that were unearned based on the airlines performance. If it's the Union Mentality and sense of Entitlement you're speaking of what union do Dougweiser and scooter belong to???

I don't always agree with your ideas but East or West, it's hard to argue against this post. Well said.

 

[vantheman63]

God we should have just fired all of you East cry babies! Your work ethic sucks, your job knowledge and skills are lacking, you ability to change is non existant, Just go away and shut up you bunch of east coast union 50 years in the past menial union mentality workers.
None of you have any future not only in aviaton but any other business (except maybe gov't).
It may be harsh but my words are true!

It's AMAZING how, every day, I see more and more signs pointing to: "Good move, leaving this company to rot on itself."

My friend, my family is east....former PI....and at no time have I EVER been so embarassed, then after Doug and his merry band of ******** got involved.

Don't worry, we're gone.....I'm gone as a CP, on to CO, an airline about 350 times more pleasant to spend money on.....and my family....well, why would you care....they're just "east cry babies"...with a poor work ethic, poor job knowledge and poor skills."

Thank you for making me realize, once and for all....I was right, we were right, to be done with the insanity of US and the Chief Finger Pointer, "I Couldn't Spell Accountability If You Spotted Me The A's, The C's, The O, The U, The N, The T, The B, The I's, The L and The Y" Parker.

Now I'm going to be sleeping better.

P.S. - Your arrogance and rudeness would suggest you are one of the Sand Castle monsters.

 

[john john]

if you work in one of the 38 cities that have both east and west employees--and you have a west manager that has told---senior EAST agents he can make retirement happen in 1 day--dont like the work schedule feel free to transfer--etc etc--if you have called HR but they do nothing--called the ETHICS hotline they do nothing---there are other options--call the UNION file a COMPLAINT--Call the EEOC---call AARP--call FAA start reporting issues they are interested in ----get in on the petition to get RID of the TOP BRASS--and bring in a fair and equal management team

Every agent that is effected by a situation that can file a grievance do so and push it to level I and II and III out of the station this will document and push human resources and union leadership to see a problem. HP management is not use to agents having a voice. THE GRIEVANCE process IS THE HEART OF THE CONTRACT. Management may call it wining its call respect

 

[sharktooth]

Seperate operations?

I never advocated separate operations. Seems to me DOH with conditions and restrictions would work just fine.

BTW, do you west dudes have a spelling disability? Did they dumb down GEDs just for you guys, so they could have someone to hire?

Let me see here.

You hired on with the lowest paying airline, because, what, like nobody else would hire you? I mean it is like MESA, where the CEO gives his "welcome" speech by saying he is obviously paying pilots too much because someone actually showed for indoctrination.

Damn, you guys write your own jokes.......

 

[happy01]

God we should have just fired all of you East cry babies! Your work ethic sucks, your job knowledge and skills are lacking, you ability to change is non existant, Just go away and shut up you bunch of east coast union 50 years in the past menial union mentality workers.
None of you have any future not only in aviaton but any other business (except maybe gov't).
It may be harsh but my words are true!

I'm just wondering have you guys ever heard of "DIVIDE AND CONQUER"? Do you think that maybe this is what they are trying to do? We have solved nothing on here. Don't you think if East and West got together, maybe management would take notice. Maybe they'd be a little worried. Right now they don't have to be worried, or try to get things done in a timely manner because they know employees are too busy arguing amongst themselves.

 

[john john]

God we should have just fired all of you East cry babies!

YOU CAN’T… WE ARE NOT “EMPLOYED AT WILLâ€￾ UNION CONTRACT BROTHER EVER HEARD OF “JUST CAUSEâ€￾