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We all know PHL is US Airways prize gem, however it has the worst reputation among employees and customers. I have been based in PHL at various time, but many are out of the loop where this supposedly money making hub is concerned and are curious as to what the problem IS there and what can be done to change things.

So I ask...What does PHL need to become a customer/employee friendly hub?
 
The company needs to give the fleet service a raise and bring back the old way for overtime.Its amazing how if you bring back double time , you will solve alot of personnelproblems , ie lack of coverage.
This Xmas out to be good in PHL, the guys are already singing "I'll be home for Christmas."
 
why is it necessary to pay more for people to do the job they were hired to do. Flight crews don't get double time to work on holidays.
You get a fair wage for a days work. You want a handout? Go work in France.
 
why is it necessary to pay more for people to do the job they were hired to do. Flight crews don't get double time to work on holidays.
You get a fair wage for a days work. You want a handout? Go work in France.


With all due respect, UAL provides a very generous holiday pay for their f/a's. Guess what? There is never a shortage of f/a's at Christmas. Money talks and you would think ALL the airlines would learn from the past. I agree with you that we get a fair wage, but starting pay on the ramp? Care to forego your pilot pay for $9 an hour? :unsure:

BTW, my brother moved back to the US after living in France. Why? Many but as a resident, if my brother died, half his estate would go to the govt. :shock: So much for a handout. <_<
 
IMO a large percentage of what would be required is out of US Airways control.

The "behind the curtain" infrastructure is in shambles. All kinds of things need to be fixed. Ask anyone who works there.

I was in one of the break rooms and I wouldn't keep my dog there! (If I had one)

The TSA makes the rampers look like Pollyanna attitude wise.
These things can't be changed.
You’re right about the infrastructure. 3 parallel runways separated 4,300' apart for simultaneous ILS approaches (like planned at CLT) is needed. But this is physically impossible at PHL. I don't believe 2 parallel runways separated 4,300' are possible at PHL.
 
They need to buy the town of Tinicum/Essington and build a brand new airport for starters....some how keeping AWest. 95 should be underground around what would be the "old" airport location. This would free up space to build additional runways without disturbing the wild life preserves. I know this would be a MAJOR COST, but I think that would end 95% precent to the problem. Work ethic of Philly employees (not all) would need an overhaul next.
 
A Bulldozer perhaps? 😛

Seriously though, you get what you pay for. $9 bucks an hour goes far less in Phl, then perhaps Clt or Pit. Sure they knew what the wage was when they signed on, but until you actually get stuck loading in the crummy weather, frozen on you shift due to late flights with little or no warning, that initial sell about the great job and the "free" flying...well that goes away pretty quick. That $9hr job inside a climate controlled building with a steady schedule and holidays off looks better and better.
 
So I ask...What does PHL need to become a customer/employee friendly hub?

Work ethics and attitudes adjustments :up:
 
I don't know but you would think that those who get the "big bucks" to run this company could come up with a plan. Hey Dougie!!! what are you waiting for????? This problem is not going to disappear.
 
PHL needs a lot of things.

Outside US Control:

Infrastructure is incredibly poor. Terminals not spaced far enough apart to permit simultaneous taxi in/out. Runways not far enough apart for simultaneous ops when the weather isn't perfect. Narrow concourses B & C. No room to expand because of the river and I-95/Septa tracks. Hell, if a ship is in the river in a certain place, planes can't land on a certain runway!

Inside US Control:

Surly agents. If you are rude to a customer, you should be fired. Period.
Lousy work ethic of (some) agents and rampers.
Managerial talent, or lack thereof.
Lack of managerial oversight and organization.
Militant, almost gang-like atmosphere on the ramp.

Now, I said "work ethic" and "surly agents" were within US control, but are they? I've posted this before. The FU attitude of many citizens in metro PHL is astonishing. They way they carry themselves, manners, etc. Brotherly Love, my foot.

As for the pay, the same starting salary exists in places like SFO, NYC and BOS (all of which have higher costs of living), yet those airports seem to be able to get the job done.

And, lastly, anyone who calls in sick at a holiday ought to be required to provide a doctor's note or be fired on the spot.
 
I can tell you that I was offered a ramp manager job in PHL after working as an agent for almost two years before moving out here to PHX. I considered it for a minute, but even had my own ramper friends telling me not to do it because it's not worth it. Long hours, weekends and holiday work to try and fix something that you don't even have the resources to fix. I would love to be a manager if the ramp was in better shape. I'd probably leave PHX right away and go back home. There are a lot of good people that work very hard in PHL, but they just don't have the resources to do it. I do agree that they need to remove the "gang" like atmosphere on the ramp. I swear there are managers who are afraid to say things to certain people because they're afraid of being physically hurt!
 
In terms of expansion, it's just like LGA. So implement slots.
 
How about the 20 million bucks promissed to fix PHL. So far I haven't seen any improvement anywhere....except a coat of white paint on a gate or two. Maybe it was just lip service for the politicians. Wasn't there a big wig type here last year some time who publicly stated that the break rooms are deplorable. I think this is even an exact quote: "they are disrespectful of our employees." Well, one year later pilots, F/As, rampers, agents and everyone else are all still sitting in the same dumps. And don't give me this crap about it takes time. :down: :angry:
 
I am a recent retiree (Jan 2006) having spent 20+years in PHL doing everything but "fueling, flying, and fixing" airplanes. I like to travel and have met many co-workers from many places as well as people working their way "in and out" of PHL. Everyone knows the "horror" stories....or they think they do........

There are three important things that I have said to every new manager with whom I worked (as well as many co-workers):

1) PHL works in spite of itself

2) There is NO easy fix......many have tried and failed miserably (and been either fired, promoted, or hired by another airline).

3) It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare PHL to any other station. Although everywhere has its own issues, many of PHL's issues are unique.

So, to begin to answer the question......

First, decent facilities. Terminals B-C are the oldest and most falling-apart in PHL. The gates there were designed for airplanes that held 50-60 passengers (Convair 580s etc) and are now required to accomodate 120-200. We operate from 4 terminals that are not adjoining. A passenger arriving at F-36 and departing from A-24 must travel a HUGE distance which is somewhat covered by a shuttle bus, but one heck of a long trip. (The bag-runners make this trip as well.) I can't think of any of our airports that are THAT difficult to navigate. On the employee side, our facilities are dirty and unhealthy. The bag chute is so full of fumes and the "warning system" hasn't worked for years. The bathrooms are filthy, many don't work, there is rarely paper towels, toilet paper, or even running water. Although the airport is supposedly smoke-free, people smoke constantly in the employee areas with no problems because many of the managers also smoke.....flight crews too. Is it any wonder that PHL has had a large number of cancer deaths in the last few years?

Second, decent equipment. The things we have don't work and the management doesn't seem to care. We also don't have enough equipment to properly do the job. On the ramp, agents are expected to drive tugs that have no headlights, windshields, wipers, defrosters, working brakes.....and that's if you can even find one because there are never enough in service. Agents are constantly stealing tugs from each other (and fighting over it). One can spend more than a half-hour just trying to find a tug or belt loader. Whereas many of the airports I have flown through seem to have plenty of equipment, we rarely ever got anything new......plenty of hand-me-downs from BWI, CLT or PIT. They now claim that they are spending millions on equipment.....none of my still-working friends have seen much of it. If an agent has to spend his/her time foraging for equipment...that doesn't work anyway, bags are not going to make their flights and customers are going to be unhappy.

Third, better management. In most corporations, managers are people with an education (MBA) and management training. At USAirways, managers are hired off the street with no experience needed. They come and go at the speed of a revolving door....and tend to hide when the "sh** hits the fan". Many of them are incapable of doing the jobs of the people they manage so they tend to be rather ineffective.

Fourth, improve upper management attitude toward the working man and hiring practices. This job used to be a place where you could make a career, provide for a family, and live the middle-class life. Therefore, the company was able to hire people with a middle-class work ethic and the employee felt a pride in their job. With all of the cutbacks, this is no longer possible (What is the difference between a pizza and an airline employee?......A pizza, these days, can still feed a family of 4.) Therefore, the pool of "available" labor is whittled down. Although many of the newest employees are great, many more of them are kids who do not see much of a future here and don't have the vested interest in the job that many of the "older folk" have. "You get what you pay for!" Hiring in PHL is often done in desperation, often disregarding the quality of the prospective employee or their potential ability to do the job properly. Because they have little or no vested interest in their job, they feel free to loaf rather than work, tell a manager to "go to he**" if they are challenged, and the newest learn quickly how to "work" the fact that the job needs them more than they need the job. Doug has said that this is the way of the new USAirways. Every time we see another "executive" walk away with huge bonuses while we have to swallow cutbacks and poor working conditions....well....who in their right mind would want this job? It's a pity! If you give employees some pride and a sense of future, this goes a long way......

Last (at least for this posting) better staffing. When I first worked inside as a gate agent, there were 3 agents per gate. Two were full-timers who stayed at that gate and worked whatever came. The third was a part-timer who was there to cover breaks and be an extra hand for heavy flights. Nowadays, you're lucky if you can find the ONE gate agent who is often covering more than one flight and/or gate. This causes poor customer contact and lots of complaints. Unlike most of our stations, we are a hub, stretched across a highly inadequate facility, with far too few qualified people to handle the tasks.

Oh....one more thing that is beyond the control of USAirways.....sort of......ATC. We are situated smack in the middle of the busiest traffic area in the USA. We have 3 major airports within 100 miles to the south (BWI/DCA/IAD) and 3 more within 100 miles to the north (LGA/EWR/JFK). Go another few miles north and add BOS. If any of them has an issue, we are the first affected. When weather hits, our limited ground space becomes a nightmare unbelievable to anyone who has not witnessed it. Five minutes of rain and thunder can cause 3-hour delays.

The city (who owns the airport) and the state (after our rape of PIT) both hate us and the arrival of Southwest into PHL was due to the sweetheart deal that they got. It was a deal they just couldn't afford to refuse!

Having said all of that, let me say that in my years, many fine people have worked (and many still do) in PHL. Throughout all of the above garbage, they have continued to keep plugging. Until you have "lived" PHL......don't knock it!
 

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