What Now?

[jimntx]

Let me add also, that unless the cost of jet fuel comes down considerably, things are going to get very ugly very fast at AA. I expect to see more and more sequences with 4-leg days, and more days in the sequence with at least 3 if not 4 legs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see transcon crews split into 2 lines where the more senior crew would do JFK-LAX-layover-JFK and the junior part of the crew would do JFK-LAX-SFO (or LAS) (on a S80 or 73)-layover-LAX-JFK.

I'm trying to convince myself that I won't be furloughed again, but unless jet fuel comes down in price, the company will have to start parking airplanes. Certainly, some route frequencies will be reduced. We can not afford to fly a 757 from DFW to STL with 60-70 passengers onboard--the last flight each night does just that. I've never seen more than 80 passengers on that flight and one time last May, we had 2 non-revs in F/C and about 25 people in coach. The first two flights from STL to DFW each day are never even close to full. This will have to stop. Fewer flights = fewer f/as.

I also think there will be additional concessions asked for within the next 6 months. Not sure if it will be pay or work rules or pension or benefits or some combination, but concessions there will be.

 

[nbmcg01]

Let me add also, that unless the cost of jet fuel comes down considerably, things are going to get very ugly very fast at AA. I expect to see more and more sequences with 4-leg days, and more days in the sequence with at least 3 if not 4 legs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see transcon crews split into 2 lines where the more senior crew would do JFK-LAX-layover-JFK and the junior part of the crew would do JFK-LAX-SFO (or LAS) (on a S80 or 73)-layover-LAX-JFK.

I'm trying to convince myself that I won't be furloughed again, but unless jet fuel comes down in price, the company will have to start parking airplanes. Certainly, some route frequencies will be reduced. We can not afford to fly a 757 from DFW to STL with 60-70 passengers onboard--the last flight each night does just that. I've never seen more than 80 passengers on that flight and one time last May, we had 2 non-revs in F/C and about 25 people in coach. The first two flights from STL to DFW each day are never even close to full. This will have to stop. Fewer flights = fewer f/as.

I also think there will be additional concessions asked for within the next 6 months. Not sure if it will be pay or work rules or pension or benefits or some combination, but concessions there will be.

[post="304838"][/post]​

Jim, some of the big planes that seem to run "empty" are heavy mail flights (unless AA lost all of the USMail contracts) They can offset high fuel and many other problems.

 

[Skymess]

Surely, you jest. I am senior to the former TW people, and I can't even hold JFK--not that I would want to. I was 14,000 numbers short of holding the last LAX-I proffer (18,524 vs. the most junior holder of LAX-I proffer who had a seniority number below 4500), and about 12,000 from holding the last IDF proffer. Like me, most of the former TW people won't live long enough to hold International at AA.


Guess I haven't looked at a proffer in awhile. I was just figuring that it wasn't too senior because I work with many furlough call backs at JFK. Did they manage to get in before it went senior?

 

[jimntx]

Guess I haven't looked at a proffer in awhile. I was just figuring that it wasn't too senior because I work with many furlough call backs at JFK. Did they manage to get in before it went senior?

[post="304897"][/post]​

Oh, I could probably hold JFK in the next year or so; but as I said, I don't want to.
Commuting to NY is not my idea of good, clean fun, and living in NY on what we make is NOT an option.

The people that you are working with are probably those that were furloughed 02JUL03 (when I was) but were called back in Dec. that same year. They would have over 5 years now. Because of my furlough, I won't have 4 years bidding seniority until Jan. next year.

 

[eolesen]

The math I was doing was based on paying someone 20 bucks vs. 45 dollars an hour. Any company would rather have 1500 to 2000 people on the payroll making 20 bucks vs. 45 dollars. No?

[post="304811"][/post]​

Not necessarily.... You've got some costs which are going to be more or less the same regardless of what they're making, mainly insurance and other benefits. In some cases, it's cheaper to pay overtime/underfly to a senior person than it is to carry the extra headcount.