Who's Doing The Hawaii Flying?

[IORFA]

AA flies LAX-KOA and I think they are going twice daily soon.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

The big yield is in flights to LIH and KOA.

I non revved once on TWA to KOA on their 757, damn, I miss them, they treated OAL nonrevs great. Plus, their 757's weren't sardine cans like ATA's

 

[hharotz]

With a HNL station in place, I suspect we will at least see some seasonal A330 flying from PHL to HNL. US pulls down at least four European cities in the winter, so it would make a lot of sense to use that lift for winter HNL flying.

[post="271724"][/post]​

I agree....but could a merged US/HP support year round service to DUB/SNN (same plane 330 service), GLA, BCN and VCE? IMO, they probably could with increased feed...especially if US would consider 3x or 5x weekly service to some of the destinations. With A350s and the STAR Alliance I don't think that PHL/PHX-NRT service is out of the question either a few years down the line. Any PHX-FRA/MUC service will probably be operated by LH since it wouldnt make sense for US to base any 330s out west for a single daily service or two.

That said, if a HNL station is established:

1) Do current contracts allow HNL to be run by vendors for CSA's? Or would we have to station US (or HP employees) there since it is in the US?
2) I wanna work in HNL! ...even if only for a few years!
3) IMO, PHL-HNL service has been a long time coming. This is a route we should have been operating for years now with the 762s or 330s (even if only seasonally). CLT and BOS-HNL dont sound outrageous either.

 

[mga707]

I still have my "Inaugural Service to Hawaii" AWA beach towel from November 1989.

I was on the inagural LAS flight on those old, old, old, 747's.

Those were fun times, you could just see money being lost on every takeoff.

Oh, and we had 4 of the ancient KLM 747's, not 3. (of course it was rare to have all 4 working at once!)

MGA, I was on a 747 flight out of HNL that had to turn back, the only 747 left in our fleet, it went up again the next night and turned around, and was cancelled for a third day. Lots of non employee non-revs had to buy full fare flights back, the employees all got home on Phillipines. Crazy trip.

[post="272002"][/post]​

The only HP 747 flight I was ever on was a route that just screams out for a 747's capacity: LAS-PHX, in early '91! To be fair, it was a continuation of an HNL-LAS trip, but still, by far the biggest plane on the shortest segment in my air travel history. Just a few months earlier I had also flown HP between their two hubs, but on a DHC-8 with the stops in GCN and FLG. From one extreme to the other!

 

[hp-csr-phx]

The only HP 747 flight I was ever on was a route that just screams out for a 747's capacity: LAS-PHX, in early '91! To be fair, it was a continuation of an HNL-LAS trip, but still, by far the biggest plane on the shortest segment in my air travel history. Just a few months earlier I had also flown HP between their two hubs, but on a DHC-8 with the stops in GCN and FLG. From one extreme to the other!

[post="272140"][/post]​

I did the same trip one time. I needed to do my bid, so I jumped on the Dash 8, PHX-FLG-GCN-LAS and flew back LAS-PHX on the 747. I remember I lost my Diet Sprite over the Grand Canyon. Very bumpy ride on the prop. I should add, the Diet Sprite flew out of my hand and hit the ceiling.

Paul

 

[mga707]

I did the same trip one time. I needed to do my bid, so I jumped on the Dash 8, PHX-FLG-GCN-LAS and flew back LAS-PHX on the 747. I remember I lost my Diet Sprite over the Grand Canyon. Very bumpy ride on the prop. I should add, the Diet Sprite flew out of my hand and hit the ceiling.

Paul

[post="272141"][/post]​

But you've got to admit the view was spectacular! The 15-minute GCN-FLG (or vv) hop just over the San Francisco Peaks in particular. Awesome...

 

[Cosmo]

I agree....but could a merged US/HP support year round service to DUB/SNN (same plane 330 service), GLA, BCN and VCE? IMO, they probably could with increased feed...especially if US would consider 3x or 5x weekly service to some of the destinations.

From looking at the map that was referenced above, except for GLA it appears that the answer is "no" because I don't see SNN, DUB, BCN or VCE on it (of course, this is based on an educated guess since the map seems to use only the first two letters of a city's three-letter code as an identifier). If true, it might be due to the B767s leaving the merged fleet before more A330s arrive to replace them.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

My very first non rev (not counting buddy passes) was to Vegas via FLG and GCN. Beautiful flight, you stepped off the plane at GCN and were nearly blown down! And the segment was bumpy as hell from FLG, I loved it!

I wish we did GCN again, Scenic runs a Twin Otter out of Scottsdale now up to the Canyon.

I did the 747 to LAS a few times, very silly flight, but TW used to run a dirt cheap L1011 flight from PHX to LAS that was always empty.

 

[hharotz]

From looking at the map that was referenced above, except for GLA it appears that the answer is "no" because I don't see SNN, DUB, BCN or VCE on it (of course, this is based on an educated guess since the map seems to use only the first two letters of a city's three-letter code as an identifier). If true, it might be due to the B767s leaving the merged fleet before more A330s arrive to replace them.

[post="272301"][/post]​

:blink:

OMG, you're right! Maybe the intention is to run GLA year round and keep the others seasonal (hence not displaying them on the route map...). It's a damn shame that they made the East coast lines so damn blurry...I'm dying to see which routes they want to cut/add from my station!!!! I'm pleasantly (yet worryingly) shocked at the sheer amount of HI service planned!


...Surprisingly, it looks like the entity will keep PIT-SAN/SEA service according to this map...according to the timetables, US is withrawing from the markets eff Aug 21st.

 

[mga707]

I did the 747 to LAS a few times, very silly flight, but TW used to run a dirt cheap L1011 flight from PHX to LAS that was always empty.

[post="272360"][/post]​

Eastern did a similar run for a while in the early '80s: A PHX-TUS-PHX 'tag' on an ATL flight in the late evening with an A300! One-way walk-up fare was usually in the $15-$25 range, and with such a big whale it was never full. Them wuz the days...

 

[osunut]

And, does it matter which entity of America West
holdings will be flying to HNL? No, it doesn't.

Remember kids, the surviving entity in this
merger is HP Holdings, and they will assign
the flying to whomever they want.

It will be nice to have the OPTION of flying
NRSA to HNL, but that option will only be
available in Oct., Nov., Apr, and May.
Just like NRSA flights to MCO and other
popular destinations. What fun.

[post="272059"][/post]​

not really. The surviving entity is going to acually be Barbell Holding, Inc. check the merger filing. Although Parker will be the CEO, President, etc.... of it

 

[osunut]

Doug Parker, in his announcement yesterday, said Hawaii. Ok, will it be with the A330 or something else? Will the HP 757's with ETOPS capability be used? PHX-KOA, OGG or HNL.

[post="271520"][/post]​

total of 5 757, 3 currently etops, the other 2 on there way. going to 4 islands(hnl, hilo, maui and i forget the other off the top of my head), phx will do 2 a day to hnl and las will do one. dailys on the other 3 cities. offical announcement will be June 1ish and by the end of June they should have an idea on if the 757 will be certified by dec....

keeping ya posted

 

[us0004us]

total of 5 757, 3 currently etops, the other 2 on there way. going to 4 islands(hnl, hilo, maui and i forget the other off the top of my head), phx will do 2 a day to hnl and las will do one. dailys on the other 3 cities. offical announcement will be June 1ish and by the end of June they should have an idea on if the 757 will be certified by dec....

keeping ya posted

[post="272801"][/post]​

thanks

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Lihue Kauai would be the other island.

Sounds great, hopefully this SA3P can make a few flights.

Used to go all the time, practically lived there.

 

[phllax]

Just curious, but aren't all of your 757's from EAL? After the merger almost all of the ex-EAL 757's will be flying together again.

With regards to the seasonal service to Europe, they all do exceptionally well. While they could support 3-5 weekly frequencies in the winter, US feels, and from the look of fares justifiably so, that the capacity is warranted to the Caribbean. The pulldown in the winter also gives them a chance to do heavy maintenance on both the 767 and 330 fleets while having enough spares. With the current summer schedule, there are 3 of 11 total 767's that stay stateside at night & BDA and get cycled through maintenance, and 1 of 9 330's that is cycled through maintenance at night and does a PHL-SJU turn daily.