Why Won't Aa Extend Furlough Passes?

[TWskyliner]

I recieved three months of passes when I was furloughed Oct 31, 02. Some recieved two years and those have now expired. I've noticed that other airlines have extended passes for their inactive employees. Is there a reason that AA won't? One would think that it would be good buisness...as well as goodwill. Any thoughts?

 

[acmech]

This is AA we are talking about. AA has done everything wrong with the TWA folks. I have since gone elswhere to work where my services are needed. One would think that AA would extend pass privlages to the laid off folks.

 

[TWskyliner]

This is AA we are talking about. AA has done everything wrong with the TWA folks. I have since gone elswhere to work where my services are needed. One would think that AA would extend pass privlages to the laid off folks.

[post="280287"][/post]​

In all fairness, there are nAAtive folks ahead and behind of the TW folks, I just was wondering if they deam it cost prohibitive or if there were reasons that I cant think of.

 

[operaations]

This is AA we are talking about. AA has done everything wrong with the TWA folks. I have since gone elswhere to work where my services are needed. One would think that AA would extend pass privlages to the laid off folks.

[post="280287"][/post]​

Who knows why they have not been extended. But i am sure the ANTI AA and ANTI TWA people will be on here bitching about it and making this an us versus them topic

 

[jimntx]

We are talking about AMR Corporation, aren't we? Need you even ask your own question?

Let me tell you MY pass privilege story.

I was interviewed in June, 2000, and was invited on the spot to begin training in late July, 2000. At the interview we were all given a "fact" sheet with info like, you have to pay for your first set of uniforms and replacement pieces are free. You will be based wherever the company needs you to be. Training is unpaid, but the company provides hotel and meals (eaten at the training facility), etc. Yada, yada, yada. A couple of the "facts" on the sheet were that we would have travel privileges after 3 months on the payroll, we would be able to give passes to friends and family after 6 months (or a year, I don't remember).

In the middle of August after I had been in training for about 3 weeks (of the 6.5 weeks of training), the class manager walked in one day and made the announcement that there had been a change in corporate travel policy. Beginning 01Sept, new hires would not get travel privileges for 6 months (upon completion of probation), and passes for friends and family (other than spouse, children, domestic partner or registered companion) would not be available until completion of 2 years of service. Coincidentally, my class was the first scheduled to graduate and go on the payroll after 01Sept. (The class ahead of me graduated 31Aug, and got travel after 3 months).

I found out a year later that the company knew in January of 2000 that the travel policy was going to change on September 1st. When people in the class objected, the class manager invited them to leave training if the issue was that important to them. She also implied that she didn't see the big deal because she had to fly 7 years before she got her first free pass (she had over 30 years with AA) and at that time, she got 1 space available pass per year.

For whatever reason, AMR has evidently always considered non-rev travel by employees more of a nuisance than an important benefit useful in recruiting and retention of good employees.

 

[FWAAA]

How long before the 92,100 or so active AMR employees begin complaining about fighting for limited nonrev space with long-furloughed (and likely to never return) former TWA employees?

Have you guys seen the load factors lately? I don't fly NRSA, but it has to be getting tougher and tougher as AA enjoys record setting load factors. In 1998, AA experienced an all-time record AA load factor of 69%.

For 2004, AA's mainline load factor was 74.3% and this year will undoubtedly be higher. To avoid pissing off the current employees, the furloughed will have to be cut off.

 

[operaations]

How long before the 92,100 or so active AMR employees begin complaining about fighting for limited nonrev space with long-furloughed (and likely to never return) former TWA employees?

Have you guys seen the load factors lately? I don't fly NRSA, but it has to be getting tougher and tougher as AA enjoys record setting load factors. In 1998, AA experienced an all-time record AA load factor of 69%.

For 2004, AA's mainline load factor was 74.3% and this year will undoubtedly be higher. To avoid pissing off the current employees, the furloughed will have to be cut off.

[post="280294"][/post]​

I for one would rather see record setting load factors if it means that i may get to keep my job and see a brighter day for AA. If i get to non rev so be it if I cant because the loads are too heavy I am bummed and happy at the same time. Get over yourself. I bet even if the passes had been extended you would say they should bump revenue in order for you to get a seat. the complaints are never ending

 

[TWskyliner]

Who knows why they have not been extended. But i am sure the ANTI AA and ANTI TWA people will be on here bitching about it and making this an us versus them topic

[post="280292"][/post]​

That was not my intintion. I just think something that isnt cost prohibitive and that might raise moral amoung the thousands (both nAAtive and former TW) still awaiting recall would be a good thing.

 

[jimntx]

How long before the 92,100 or so active AMR employees begin complaining about fighting for limited nonrev space with long-furloughed (and likely to never return) former TWA employees?...To avoid pissing off the current employees, the furloughed will have to be cut off.

[post="280294"][/post]​

Bogus argument alert! Bogus argument alert!

As a furloughee, I traveled D2 for only 3 months after furlough. After that I was a D2P. (And, BTW, no one told us this. I discovered it when the Non-rev travel Planner would not let me list for a flight as a D2. I called the company and found out that I had been downgraded to D2P. Oh, and the person on the phone was "So very sorry that someone had evidently dropped the ball and failed to inform those of us being furloughed that we would be D2 for only 3 months." Oh, and the AApfa didn't care either. And, no I am not former TW. I am a nAAtive.)

NO current employee would have to give up a seat in order to accommodate a current employee. Just as my mother would get left behind if you needed a seat.
And, your mother would lose her seat to a furloughee only if you checked her in on Jetnet after the furloughee checked in. And, fair's fair. We all know it is first come, first served within a non-rev category.

 

[TWskyliner]

opperations, this was not started as an us against them topic, you seem to be making it that however...

 

[operaations]

opperations, this was not started as an us against them topic, you seem to be making it that however...

[post="280300"][/post]​

I am not making this an us vs them. It seems to me that there is always an active topic regarding the alleged mis treatment of TWA. My sister best friend and Niece all worked for TWA. They do not complain about being laid off. Or not having passes. They moved on and made a life for themselves

I applaud them and I wish they were with me at work as I wish every laid off person.

You mention morale. How do you think us current AA employees feel when all the laid off people from TWA continue to abuse us verbally and say we screwed them. I apologize not all of the laid off people. Do you think that improves morale to be told we are the reason. I dont think so. Why dont we just let it go move on and hope you all come back.

 

[TWskyliner]

I am not making this an us vs them.  It seems to me that there is always an active topic regarding the alleged mis treatment of TWA.  My sister best friend and Niece all worked for TWA.  They do not complain about being laid off.  Or not having passes.  They moved on and made a life for themselves

I applaud them and I wish they were with me at work as I wish every laid off person. 

You mention morale.  How do you think us current AA employees feel when all the laid off people from TWA continue to abuse us verbally and say we screwed them.  I apologize not all of the laid off people.  Do you think that improves morale to be told we are the reason.  I dont think so.  Why dont we just let it go move on and hope you all come back.

[post="280301"][/post]​

Dude..take a chill...I was being inclusive of ALL AA furloughed f/a/employees. :blink: forgive me for thinking a bone might be thrown our way.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

People who no longer work for AA(laid-off,fired,etc.) shouldn't be allowed non-rev benefits period! 😛 I also think they to tighten up the non-rev policy. It is ridiculous to allow an employee to fly "anybody" on their passes. :down: Whoever came up with that crazy idea needs to be fired! We don't work for a non-revenue airline!

 

[aafsc]

TWskyliner, even if you had the passes they would be almost worthless. Where I work, people are having a hard time getting on and they are using their D-1s. It would probably be better if you just bought the cheap ticket, that way you know you are getting on and can dress anyway you please.

 

[Light Years]

Thats terrible. It doesn't cost them anything. US furloughees (half the airline LOL) retain thier travel bennies the whole time they are furlughed, still completely free, still including parents, children, and spouse/domestic partner. They only lose buddy passes and frop down to a lower boarding priority under active employees.