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[AP Tech]

Thanks 700, I find it interesting that there just happened to be two "bad apples" who crossed the picket line to scab. And the funny thing is they were both Ex IAM Officials? As stated before I guess all the training a Placid Harbor did them very little good? Maybe someone from NWA can help us with the math....what is the percentage of IAM "higher ups" who have crossed the lines vs the regular rank and file?

A real union member would not cross another unions picket line!!! Sounds like the Ex IAM officials are just pissed because the IAM was ousted off the property because the members felt they were not being fairly represented by their elected officials? Judging by those who have crossed maybe they were correct!!!

 

[delldude]

A real union member would not cross another unions picket line!!!

something i find in very very short supply at U......

 

[delldude]

Thanks 700, I find it interesting that there just happened to be two "bad apples" who crossed the picket line to scab. And the funny thing is they were both Ex IAM Officials? As stated before I guess all the training a Placid Harbor did them very little good? Maybe someone from NWA can help us with the math....what is the percentage of IAM "higher ups" who have crossed the lines vs the regular rank and file?

you make heap big ballyhoo over this but neglect to reflect.......
our last strike vote which turned into the fabled second vote was instituted by scab sleepers who messed their drawers when the actual vote came in and pestered U management and IAM locals to change their votes.....
you tell me these clowns and colleages wouldn't have crossed????
remember they have families and bills to pay.....WTF's wrong with you? :down:
you're probably a sleeper too.....

 

[700UW]

He was upset he couldn't be a yes voter on a final offer so he became a scab, so much for all that great union training up there at Placid Harbor or whatever they call that place!  The bottom line is the IAM is a scab union can't spin it, can't defend it.  All his former buddies in the IAM are scabbing at NW, maybe he figured they need more scab leadership!

[post="304758"][/post]​

The individual is a AMFA member not IAM, but hey don't let the facts get in your way.

And sorry I have no "buddies" over at NWA, the truth is he is a member of AMFA and he scabbed, AMFA failed not the IAM, it is AMFA's responsibility to educate their members not to be scabs.

Bottom line is AMFA has and will lose it all at NWA and accomplish nothing.

 

[AP Tech]

you're probably a sleeper too.....

Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm a staunch "No" voter. Still may have the pic of the various ballots indicating "No" Did that only because it was amazing everybody you talk to voted no but yet it passed? To many friends who worked for Eastern, even though the company shut down following their strike, those employee's involved killed the "Lorenzo Cancer" for about 10 years until it reappeared at Usair. Now its back and spreading across the industry.......

As far as changing votes, the local, national, whoever if they had any ba**s would have stepped in in said vote stands!! Recount yes, revote no way!!!

 

[delldude]

i agree but like i said...they wanted to change,they'd probably cross.

 

[fanlube]

The individual is a AMFA member not IAM, but hey don't let the facts get in your way.

And sorry I have no "buddies" over at NWA, the truth is he is a member of AMFA and he scabbed, AMFA failed not the IAM, it is AMFA's responsibility to educate their members not to be scabs.

Bottom line is AMFA has and will lose it all at NWA and accomplish nothing.

[post="304792"][/post]​

You really need to broaden your vocabulary, don't let the facts get in your way is growing old. One fact you can't ignore is the IAM is ran by a bunch of scabs period. Bottom line is AMFA was willing to take a stand and fight for what they believed in win or lose. I guess you don't agree with the IAM strike at boeing either right because they will lose it all there and accomplish nothing. You think you are so smart but every time you come on this board you type something that is totally ridiculus. A true unionist supports those on strike regardless of if they represented them before. Remember this fact my friend United and Northwest voted the IAM out, if they had been representing their members like they should of been they may still be representing the mechanics today.

 

[700UW]

Lets see Buffenbarger nor any member of the Executive Council who runs the IAM is not performing struck work.

Lets compare Boeing and NWA, NWA is flying over the picket lines, but Boeing is not manufacturing nor delivering planes, big difference.

AMFA is no differant then the IAM, they took concessions at UAL, ATA and FLYi.

I support labor, but bottom line is AMFA was not prepared for a strike against NWA, they have no strike fund, they are soliciting donations through paypal and begging other unions for money. Meanwhile NWA has been preparing for this strike for 18 months, you think AMFA would have done a better job.

 

[PITMTC]

You really need to broaden your vocabulary.....

[post="304836"][/post]​

Lets see Buffenbarger nor any member of the Executive Council who runs the IAM is not performing struck work.

[post="304839"][/post]​

Now look wat you made him do.
Let me re-word it for him.
Let's see, neither Buffenbarger nor any other member of the Executive Council, who runs the IAM, is performing Struck work.
There 6th grade grammar still works. By the way it's "different", not "differant". I have been meaning to tell you that for a long time. 😉
Please do not force him to sound educated. Thx

 

[700UW]

Wow, all you can do is nit pick spelling, why don't you try adding to the topic or actually try and debate. Guess you can't so you have to nit pick one typo.

Keep trying.

 

[DR.EVIL]

I thought this thread was between teamsters or iam representation?? They are both big business and looking to either keep dues money or gain dues money. But if any of the usairways guys think that by voting the teamsters in is going to be some saving grace, your smokin dope. There is no way they are going to negotiate anything better than the POS we already have. What they will do is push for something other than DOH in the mechanic classification. They will be looking to increase their current members seniority and REDUCE usairways mechanics seniority. I will not take that chance!! Lets face it, the iam LIED for a week about agreeing to revote the first POS contract and have been less than informative to the membership about the back door Pit deals, but the bottom line is we must keep them for now. 🙁 I like to look at them (iam) as the last fat chick at the bar on ladies night, someone's going to take her home, and guess what, she is ours!!

 

[PITMTC]

Wow, all you can do is nit pick spelling, why don't you try adding to the topic or actually try and debate. Guess you can't so you have to nit pick one typo.

Keep trying.

[post="304859"][/post]​

I have tried, many times. There is no fair debating with you. You twist words and avoid answering direct questions when you know the debate is going the wrong way for you. And, since you think spelling and grammar is nit-picking, there's no wonder why the membership are disgusted with their leadership and some previous leader's actions over at NW. It goes to show why MBA graduates have pulled the wool over the high school graduates eyes. And yes, per your own repeated admission, it was YOU doing the negotiations that led to where the employees are today. But, grammar and spelling doesn't matter. 😉

 

[700UW]

I was part of the process, representing my group, and let me repeat this to you once again, read it slowly and maybe this time you will comprehend it.

The IAM gave the company a full and comprehensive proposal that was worth the ask, preserved the majority of jobs and kept utility at the big eight stations. The company rejected it, even though it met all the financial goals.

The company wanted what they wanted and how they wanted, it was quite obvious they don't want to be in the maintenance business nor properly manage the workforce.

Do you think you will finally understand what transpired?

 

[DR.EVIL]

I was part of the process, representing my group, and let me repeat this to you once again, read it slowly and maybe this time you will comprehend it.

The IAM gave the company a full and comprehensive proposal that was worth the ask, preserved the majority of jobs and kept utility at the big eight stations. The company rejected it, even though it met all the financial goals.

The company wanted what they wanted and how they wanted, it was quite obvious they don't want to be in the maintenance business nor properly manage the workforce.

Do you think you will finally understand what transpired?

[post="304870"][/post]​

And lets not forget to mention the negotiating(Deal Making) committee was not on the same page, split between pit and clt, and the dissension amongst them ultimately HURT the membership!! :down: :angry:

 

[PITMTC]

And lets not forget to mention the negotiating(Deal Making) committee was not on the same page, split between pit and clt, and the dissension amongst them ultimately HURT the membership!! :down: :angry:

[post="304877"][/post]​

Or, how many times I was asked by mechanics and utility, if I had heard anything about how the negotiations were going since they did not hear anything of any worth during the whole process.