WILL YOU VOTE TO STAY WITH THE TWU IF THERE IS A MERGER?

[Buck]

If an Successor is an air carrier, and the Successor conducts an operational merger between the Company and the Successor or another air carrier, then the Successor will provide the Company employees with a seniority integration governed by Sections 2, 3 and 13 of the Allegheny - Mohawk Labor Protective Provision.


Article 3

Status of Agreement

US Airways and the IAM

 

[Bob Owens]

If memory serves there was no representation election based on the fact there were 12,000 AA FSC's and less than 4,000 TWA Ramp Service employees at the time.Numbers carried the day.

The IAM never challenged it. If they had there would have been a vote.

 

[BoeingBoy]

If an Successor is an air carrier, and the Successor conducts an operational merger between the Company and the Successor or another air carrier, then the Successor will provide the Company employees with a seniority integration governed by Sections 2, 3 and 13 of the Allegheny - Mohawk Labor Protective Provision.


Article 3

Status of Agreement

US Airways and the IAM

Since there are two unions involved (if a merger happens) the IAM can only demand an election and if they lose that's it - the winner would be the representative of all employees in the class/craft. Likewise with a seniority integration - the most either side could do is demand arbitration since federal law would apply.

Jim

 

[BlueStar]

This website has become a great source for company and union to know our feelings and strategies. Just log on a view everyone's opinions from the comfort of your keyboard.

Pathetic

In fact I am going to start answering these polls the exact opposite of my true thoughts for good measure.

I'm not a TWU member and I assume I could vote on this poll just as any other member could so I'm not sure anyone is going to take the poll results too seriously anyway.

What I don't know and have yet to hear from the moderator about is where the privacy policy for the forum is. I'm sure that it states clearly that they would not share information about the identity of members or how they vote to outside parties, right?

 

[Mrs. McFly]

I'm not a TWU member and I assume I could vote on this poll just as any other member could so I'm not sure anyone is going to take the poll results too seriously anyway.

What I don't know and have yet to hear from the moderator about is where the privacy policy for the forum is. I'm sure that it states clearly that they would not share information about the identity of members or how they vote to outside parties, right?

Who cares, really? These polls are not scientific and who do you think is really using this as a true gauge of industry secrets. Come on, polls are everywhere. Lighten up and let us do our thing.

 

[BlueStar]

Who cares, really? These polls are not scientific and who do you think is really using this as a true gauge of industry secrets. Come on, polls are everywhere. Lighten up and let us do our thing.

I agree with you, perhaps I was unclear. I was posting in response to...

Why expose our feelings or create TWU International fear that might change the outcome?

I would suggest we let this play out and express our opinions with signed cards or vote our opinions on a ballot that might actually lead to change rather than expose anything here.

This website has become a great source for company and union to know our feelings and strategies. Just log on a view everyone's opinions from the comfort of your keyboard.

Pathetic

In fact I am going to start answering these polls the exact opposite of my true thoughts for good measure.

And I was pointing out that "TWU informer" might not have to worry to much about the results giving away "industry secrets" as you put it, when taking part in the poll.

I think we are on the same page here, perhaps I was unclear in my previous post. 😀

 

[Hopeful]

If an Successor is an air carrier, and the Successor conducts an operational merger between the Company and the Successor or another air carrier, then the Successor will provide the Company employees with a seniority integration governed by Sections 2, 3 and 13 of the Allegheny - Mohawk Labor Protective Provision.


Article 3

Status of Agreement

US Airways and the IAM

And if you remember this little provision from the TWU agreement....



(h) Merger, purchase, or acquisition of another company: In the event of a merger,
166 purchase, or acquisition of another company, involving that entire company or a
167 substantial portion of that company by the Company, the TWU and the Company will
168 meet to discuss the merger, purchase, or acquisition. The Company will provide the
169 TWU with information concerning the proposed merger, purchase, or acquisition at the
170 earliest feasible time to allow for the Union to prepare for those discussions. Those
171 discussions will include the impact of the merger, purchase, or acquisition upon the
172 TWU represented employees.
173
174 (1) The integration of the seniority lists of the respective employee groups will
175 be governed by the provisions of Sections 3 & 13 of Allegheny-Mohawk, 59 CAB
176 22 (1972), provided that no employee on the master seniority list will be
177 adversely impacted in rates of pay, hours, or working conditions by the
178 integration.

 

[Buck]

And if you remember this little provision from the TWU agreement....



(h) Merger, purchase, or acquisition of another company: In the event of a merger,
166 purchase, or acquisition of another company, involving that entire company or a
167 substantial portion of that company by the Company, the TWU and the Company will
168 meet to discuss the merger, purchase, or acquisition. The Company will provide the
169 TWU with information concerning the proposed merger, purchase, or acquisition at the
170 earliest feasible time to allow for the Union to prepare for those discussions. Those
171 discussions will include the impact of the merger, purchase, or acquisition upon the
172 TWU represented employees.
173
174 (1) The integration of the seniority lists of the respective employee groups will
175 be governed by the provisions of Sections 3 & 13 of Allegheny-Mohawk, 59 CAB
176 22 (1972), provided that no employee on the master seniority list will be
177 adversely impacted in rates of pay, hours, or working conditions by the
178 integration.

So the language in the IAM/US agreement basically calls for Allegheny Mohawk nd TWU/AA calls for Allegheny Mohawk with a no harm seniority stipulation?

 

[MCI transplant]

Wouldn't the IAM go out of their way to offer management concessions? Maybe TWU wouldn't be so bad.

Josh

<_< ------- No Josh, The IAM maybe a lot of things, including S.O.B's at times, but a company lap dog, like the TWU, they are not! -----From someone that was in the IAM for 30+ years!

 

[Hopeful]

So the language in the IAM/US agreement basically calls for Allegheny Mohawk nd TWU/AA calls for Allegheny Mohawk with a no harm seniority stipulation?

Yes...

 

[Barfbag]

If memory serves there was no representation election based on the fact there were 12,000 AA FSC's and less than 4,000 TWA Ramp Service employees at the time.Numbers carried the day.

I'm sorry I stand corrected, I forget this is a friendly takeover not a hostile one.

Everyone will get a vote on the ending this fairy tale..
😀

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Yes they will...I got a text from The Easter Bunny confirming that.

 

[Hopeful]

If memory serves there was no representation election based on the fact there were 12,000 AA FSC's and less than 4,000 TWA Ramp Service employees at the time.Numbers carried the day.

IF my memory serves, there was NO election for any union group. I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that the IAM "agreed" NOT to proceed with a vote for representation. They're should have been a new election for representation regardless of BUYOUT or MERGER!

Can anyone else recall why a vote did not occur?