Wisconsin

[dapoes]

If you look further you will see that prime loans given to good creditors were just as faulty. You want to blame it all on one thing but the reality of this is that greedy people in the banks and wall street caused the housing mess. Dig a little further, don't just listen to the GOP, CEO's and the kool-aid drink they are handing you. Bush let this all happen while on his watch because he didn't care about whether or whether not Corporate America screwed people to make money. The rich had free realm to do what they wanted with no Government oversight.

Bush tried to reign in but people like Barney Frank put the brakes on it. Your so wrong it isn't even funny.

Btw a majority of those loans were underwritten via guidelines instituted by Fannie/Freddie as they were ultimately purchased by them. Especially the prime loans that were issued. So gov run mortgage Fannie and Freddie loosened guidelines to help home ownership, but when alarm bells were sounded early in the 2000's the dems defeated every attempt to overhaul.

 

[dapoes]

Remember when Leftists claimed that they were being threatened and they produced evidence like this? Me neither.

Nothing Says ‘Freedom’ Like “Do What We Say Or We’ll F*** You Up!”


So. . .that "civility" thing is officially dead now?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Remember when Leftists claimed that they were being threatened and they produced evidence like this? Me neither.

Nothing Says ‘Freedom’ Like “Do What We Say Or We’ll F*** You Up!”


So. . .that "civility" thing is officially dead now?

Why would that bother you? I've walked through that crap before and if you want to deflate the other side walk down that street. They;re Pu**ies one and all. besides they can on;y kill you once

 

[dapoes]

Why would that bother you? I've walked through that crap before and if you want to deflate the other side walk down that street. They;re Pu**ies one and all. besides they can on;y kill you once

No idea what it is you are trying to say.

 

[SparrowHawk]

No idea what it is you are trying to say.

Simple Dapoes. You can only be intimidated if you allow it! NOTE the Ireland thread I posted

 

[Kev3188]

So. . .that "civility" thing is officially dead now?

I hope not, or we're officially f**ked as a country.

 

[southwind]

I hope not, or we're officially f**ked as a country.

We've been on that road for a little over 2 years now !

 

[700UW]

Bad news for all you union haters.

A judge just blocked the law!!!!!

 

[Kev3188]

We've been on that road for a little over 2 years now !

it's been longer than that. What constructive solution do you think will reverse it?

Bad news for all you union haters.

A judge just blocked the law!!!!!

Yessir! A TRO was just issued. A great start.

 

[dapoes]

Bad news for all you union haters.

A judge just blocked the law!!!!!

You do know what a TRO is right? And this wasn't unexpected either.

Dies this mean that the union huggers are going to stop with the vile death threats? Don't bother answering. We know they won't. Great bunch you associate yourself with.

 

[Kev3188]

Careful with that broad brush Dapoes...

Using that same logic, you "associate" yourself with someone that tried to stifle the votes of roughly 2M Wisconsin voters. You also "associate" yourself with another man (Walker) who is in favor of centralized government, something I *know* you're against.

 

[dapoes]

Careful with that broad brush Dapoes...

Using that same logic, you "associate" yourself with someone that tried to stifle the votes of roughly 2M Wisconsin voters. You also "associate" yourself with another man (Walker) who is in favor of centralized government, something I *know* you're against.

Wow that quite a stretch there Kev. Let me guess...Alternet?

Guess it could have gone the other way, keep the (union) status quo, raise property taxes and up the salaries for gov workers. Since it worked out so well in Miami Dade county.

I know you feel perfectly comfortable withe tax payers forking over their hard earned money just so gov union workers live a better lifestyle then they do. Better then most federal workers.

 

[Kev3188]

Wow that quite a stretch there Kev. Let me guess...Alternet?

Local media accounts, and the State budget repair bill itself (I used the link you provided, BTW).


Senate Majority leader Fitzgerald acting unilaterally, tried to deem any votes by the 14 dems between their return to the state and April 5th (when the senate officially reconvenes) invalid. In other words, any votes in committee/subcommittee/etc. wouldn't count. He backed off that several days later. The 2M number is roughly how many citizens these senators represent.

The bill itself wrests autonomy away from the local level, and concentrates power in MSN, or more specifically with Walker himself. Also, he's now looking for many positions-such as the one that mediates labor disputes- to be political appointees. You have read it, right?

 

[dapoes]

Local media accounts, and the State budget repair bill itself (I used the link you provided, BTW).


Senate Majority leader Fitzgerald acting unilaterally, tried to deem any votes by the 14 dems between their return to the state and April 5th (when the senate officially reconvenes) invalid. In other words, any votes in committee/subcommittee/etc. wouldn't count. He backed off that several days later. The 2M number is roughly how many citizens these senators represent.

The bill itself wrests autonomy away from the local level, and concentrates power in MSN, or more specifically with Walker himself. Also, he's now looking for many positions-such as the one that mediates labor disputes- to be political appointees. You have read it, right?

Now thats funny Kev! Since when do liberals read bills?

Let's take a look at what the Open Meetings law actually says. The law states:

19.84 Public notice.

(3) Public notice of every meeting of a governmental body shall be given at least 24 hours prior to the commencement of such meeting unless for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical, in which case shorter notice may be given, but in no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.

But the law also states:

19.87 Legislative meetings.

(2) No provision of this subchapter which conflicts with a rule of the senate or assembly or joint rule of the legislature shall apply to a meeting conducted in compliance with such rule.

So the Open Meeting law says that the legislature's rules trump the Open Meetings law when the two are in conflict. And the legislature's rules hold that during a special session, under which the legislature had been operating, the only notice required is a posting on a bulletin board in the capitol:

Senate Rule 93 (2)
(2) A notice of a committee meeting is not required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board, and a bulletin of committee hearings may not be published.

So the rules and statutes clearly seem to hold that no notice was required other than a bulletin board posting. Republicans did that. And then, as a courtesy and just to be safe, they waited the minimum two hours required by the Open Meetings law when 24 hours' notice is "impossible or impractical." Why might it have been "impractical" to give 24 hours' notice? Watch this YouTube video of senators being harassed by protesters following the vote:



As the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported:

Shortly after abruptly voting to sharply curtail collective bargaining for public employees, senators boarded a Madison city bus and Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs stationed himself near the driver to tell him where to go, according to video from the bus released Friday. [...]

Protesters quickly surrounded the bus, banged on it and briefly followed it as it drove away from the Capitol. [...]

Tim Donovan, a spokesman for the Capitol Police, said he could not comment on why the senators were taken away by bus or any other security matters. Republican senators have faced death threats amid the protests, which have been massive but peaceful.

Can you imagine what the security situation would have been if 24 hours' notice had been given to protesters? There's a good chance that protesters would have shut down the capitol and made it physically impossible for senators to get in or out of the building. So, if for some odd reason that the legislature's rules requiring no notice (other than a bulletin board posting) don't apply in this case, it seems that the vote met the Open Meetings law's requirement to provide two hours' minimum notice. I'm curious to find out why Judge Sumi doesn't think so.

 

[Kev3188]

Now thats funny Kev! Since when do liberals read bills?

What the f**k is wrong with you? Of course I read it. So have hundreds of thousands of other people.

Lemme know when you aim to be more than a wind up artist, and we'll talk then.

I'm curious to find out why Judge Sumi doesn't think so.

Read up; she's all over the interwebs...

Here's a start: “It seems to me the public policy behind effective enforcement of the open meeting law is so strong that it does outweigh the interest, at least at this time, which may exist in favor of sustaining the validity of the (law),” Sumi said, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.