With Or Without Employees?

[cavalier]

Moreover, it's better to have a job while seeking a job because of pay, benefits, and travel privileges; as well as not facing the risk of a S.1113 action following a bankruptcy filing.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

We are forever facing some dire action and it no longer puts fear in our hearts, we have become tempered.

You have a management that is NOT honest, uses punitive policies, threats, and basically tries to run this company like a military facility. Dave Siegel and his moneyman Neil left but all the others who made these tyrannical rules and policies remain. You are asking us to listen to them, these very same people who want our jobs, and if we get to keep our jobs to obey tyrannical rules and policies.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION.... employers are looking for people OUT of work because in most cases they are rewarded for it plus most like hiring someone unemployed rather then someone who is still collecting a pay stub, this is fact and makes your statement false.


For someone who respects all their co-workers so much you would never know it by some of your posts on these boards captain. Maybe your emotions get in the way of your writing and if so you best hold them in check.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Cav:

I respectfully disagree with some of your comments. There is a lot of blame to go around and I did not like a lot of what the previous management team did either.

Nonetheless, it is far better to have a job than to be on unemployment. For most employees who are in their mid-40s and up, there will be job discrimination and tough road to hoe if this airline fails.

Just look at what happened in PIT when the steel industry died. The same thing could hold true here. Nobody cares what you or I think we deserve to be paid; people want the lowest priced product they can get.

Either we provide that with creative solutions or the company dies and ya know what, management will not be hurt. The only people who will be hurt are the employees.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot,

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I agree with your thoughts and since the IAM will probably not cut a deal, Bronner will seek to move the Pittsburgh maintenance facility to an undesirble location and then after filing for bankruptcy seek a S.1113 motion against the IAM.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

I do not understand . U management does not honor its current agreements with the IAM. The IAM seeks a legal solution . Now you honestly expect them to enter into more agreements while they are awaiting the results? This is EXACTLY the reason laws were changed after Lorenzo. Of COURSE labor contracts can be imposed in Chapter 11, but there is a PROCESS invloved, which INCLUDES labor. Just because a company "needs" something and is not getting it, does not mean labor is negociating in bad faith, or that managements "wishes" can simply be imposed in Chapter 11. Do us all a favor, and don't pull that string on your neck again. Its insulting to everyone. Greeter.

 

[airbiiguy]

this is more like the kursk!!!

 

[airbiiguy]

How can they even ask someone topped out at $10 or 13/hr to take more cuts? Whats the use of working for $8-10/hr after 10+years?? And dont tell me the flying benefits either, those are a joke too! Why does lakefield and his top people say ok , we are willing to work for $1 for the whole year just so this airline will survive, they wont be hurt by not making any money. Anyone recall someone named Lee Iococa??

 

[totobird]

Don't forget about the 8,000 employees in Pittsburgh. The majority of which may soon be losing their jobs.
I'm sure they really don't care if USAirways survives now given the fact Pit will be downsized.
Time to move on.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

It's beginning to be apparent that the management problems at UAIR extended further up the ladder than the illustrious Mr. Siegel. Maybe it was just the messenger that got shot. Seems to me that at just the mention of the "b" word that financial markets are immediately closed to UAIR, so I guess that financing the RJs is pretty much gonna stop. Who in their right mind would loan someone money after they've been warned that their money is going to likely disappear? If this is the kind of financial advice that the company has been getting from Mr. Lakefield behind the scenes then UAIR is definitely going down the tubes now. What they need to do is stop threatening people all the time and get on with running an airline. Oh, wait, I forgot. These guys have absolutely no idea how to run an airline! :angry:

 

[savyinvestor]

Exactly! Savy

 

[TheLarkAscending]

I truly believe that the majority of the labor groups will see the light and understand that a partnership is a winning approach for everyone. We must forget about the past and move forward to the future.

Perhaps you're awaiting a huge payout when they ask you to resign; I thought you would be polishing up your resume by now.

 

[cavalier]

Cav:

I respectfully disagree with some of your comments. There is a lot of blame to go around and I did not like a lot of what the previous management team did either.

Nonetheless, it is far better to have a job than to be on unemployment. For most employees who are in their mid-40s and up, there will be job discrimination and tough road to hoe if this airline fails.

Just look at what happened in PIT when the steel industry died. The same thing could hold true here. Nobody cares what you or I think we deserve to be paid; people want the lowest priced product they can get.

Either we provide that with creative solutions or the company dies and ya know what, management will not be hurt. The only people who will be hurt are the employees.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot,

Been there done that, beyond my forties and older than even you captain. Watched the steel mills close and people lose their corvettes and boats and some even their homes. Guess what, they are still ticking and lived to see another day. I will go on with or without U. With what is in store for the employees at U with the likes of Jerry Glass left in power I will not vote for more concessions, period. They can close it, threaten me, and scream at me, it doesn't matter. Yes I am a A&P but that came after and not before I was at U and my other trade will support my family comfortably thank you.

 

[Baja4U]

A320, If you say "you" took a 40% pay cut,,,,,,what about "your" pay raise before that happened???? Talk to the hand "buddy".......AND DO NOT base "your" consessions on what EVERYBODY else does!!!! Can "you" not stand on your own for a change????? Let's face it, "you" 'guys' are the cash cow of the LABOR group. Stand on your OWN to save your a**, don't tie that to another group!!!!!! If "you" want to GIVE MORE, and that's questionable, GIVE, GIVE, GIVE, don't tell ME what IIIIIIIIIII need to do!!!!!! 😱

 

[Phoenix]

Cav:

I'm not trying to upset anybody, but simply trying to point out the facts because I believe some people are so blinded by their anger that they may not see straight...

Some people consider cranial location to be a better indicator of vantage point.

If people are so upset with their fellow employees feelings toward them, I don't see why they continue to stick around. Why don't they find somewhere that fellow employees will apreciate them?

Respectfully,

Phoenix

 

[bobcat]

USA320Pilot

Just a little story...I have a family member who has been a Flight Attendant for US for about 22 yrs and who is still young, fit and quite intelligent. Over the last few years she went to school to be a Court Reporter. She finished school while still working and now on voluntary furlough, has still been attending school to keep up speed and is at the top of her class. She has very little confidence in US making it and has started to look for a new job in her new profession. Her teacher arranged for an interview with an attorney for her and another classmate. The classmate was not nearly as good as her and had no work experience but she got the job. When she confronted her teacher as to why she didn't get the job, her teacher told her that the attorney was hesitant to hire her, even though she was more qualified than the other girl, because she was still employed with USAirways. As you can imagine she was quite devastated.

So, this is proof that it is not always better to have a job while looking for another.

Another thing...believe it or not there are employers out there that are very willing to pay what people think they are worth. If someone has an impressive work history, has proven themselves and has exactly what an employer is looking for, they will often ask the applicant what it will take to get them to accept the position and WILL pay it...with benefits. It definately is not a hopeless case like you make it out to be.

 

[cavalier]

because she was still employed with USAirways.

Bob... EXACTLY WHAT I POSTED ABOVE__thank you, listening to him at times makes one think the answer is to either accept all the crap dished at us or commit suicide.

 

[PITbull]

Pitguy:

You might be right, which is why the company is probably making alternative plans for maintenance work and why Bronner said the restructuring will go forward "with or without employees."

I agree with your thoughts and since the IAM will probably not cut a deal, Bronner will seek to move the Pittsburgh maintenance facility to an undesirble location and then after filing for bankruptcy seek a S.1113 motion against the IAM.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

And BK is where you will see a job action by one or more groups.