With Or Without Employees?

[PITbull]

Don't forget about the 8,000 employees in Pittsburgh. The majority of which may soon be losing their jobs.
I'm sure they really don't care if USAirways survives now given the fact Pit will be downsized.
Time to move on.

That's the sentiments I'm hearing. Seriously doubt you will get "YES" votes in PIT in light of this added revelation. Don't forget, PIT voted down the winter agreement on the threat of liquidation. And their situation, along with many of the employees got much worse since then.

 

[bobcat]

During the last "give away" the "Yes" vote prevailed by only 5 votes for the CWA. The whole process was soooo screwed up with retired agents receiving ballots, furloughed agents and active agents not receiving ballots, the voting system by phone was screwed up and some that had already voted had to vote again and that was only if you were lucky enough to have found out about the screwed up phone system. When the CWA members asked for a recount the answer of course was NO. If the "NO" votes would have prevailed, guaranteed, there would have been a recount or re-vote. Just ask the IAM.

Things have gotten much much worse in Res. since then with the added threat of furloughs due to outsourcing and the internet. This group is tired and disgusted and just want the whole mess to be over with. Will be extremely surprised if this group votes anything but "NO".

 

[bobcat]

PITbull

If it did come to job action by one or more groups, how would it go down and what do you think the ramifications would be?

Don't you think that would definately be the end of USAirways and if so, why would management take that chance if they are "really" trying to save this company?
Seems like the fall of the empire is near.

 

[700UW]

bobcat,

Even the Dr's tell the family when it is time to pull the plug because there is no hope for the patient anymore.

 

[PITbull]

PITbull

If it did come to job action by one or more groups, how would it go down and what do you think the ramifications would be?

Don't you think that would definately be the end of USAirways and if so, why would management take that chance if they are "really" trying to save this company?
Seems like the fall of the empire is near.

Bobcat,

IMO, management will start to set up an arena of threat IF the votes from labor are "AGAINST". Plus, they wil put pressure on our group to negotiate for protection with another famous 1113 letter. Management also wants the other two labor groups to the table, so they are putting added pressure on AFA and trying to tell us they can make some changes for us with issues we feel aren't working. Trust, that they will keep those things as a carrot, and make sure they gutt us big in order to have a few "tweeks". I am waiting for the changes to acutally occur FIRST, but it won't happen.

If we do go into BK, its over for RSA, senior managment and the Rank.

And if all that should ensue, then in my mind's eye, it would be right for U to be put out of it misery and to rest.

Employees will survive, just like any other business that goes under.

 

[RWerksman]

Employees will survive, just like any other business that goes under.

I have never heard a statement so true.


The group with the most to lose is by far is management. I can see the ad now...


Wanted:

Unsuccessful executive manager. Most have prior experiance in an industry with no sense of changing times, and an airline with at least two bankruptcies in different decades.


Qualifications:

Interpersonal - non-effective working relationship with peers, unions and customers through lack of communication.

Team Working - work with others to successfully achieve multiple bankruptcies, and eventual liquidation.

Proactive - make decisions and take initiates and risks to ensure a solution is not implemented, and never communicated effectivly to employees or customers.

 

[PITbull]

Rwerksman,


Now that's funny..

 

[pitguy]

Bruce Lakefield commented in today’s employee message that “we must work together as a team.â€￾ He used a superb example of a submarine that has sprung a leak and everyone must work as a team to solve the problem. Airways’ has a leak and it is imperative that each employee work together as a cohesive team to protect the franchise. This is the same message that I have stated to a few of my IAM friends. I truly believe that the majority of the labor groups will see the light and understand that a partnership is a winning approach for everyone. We must forget about the past and move forward to the future.

This company has honored all the golden parachute clauses and everything else in the executives contracts, now honor mine! I do not expect anything more than my contract or anything LESS.

 

[pitguy]

Pitguy:

You might be right, which is why the company is probably making alternative plans for maintenance work and why Bronner said the restructuring will go forward "with or without employees."

I agree with your thoughts and since the IAM will probably not cut a deal, Bronner will seek to move the Pittsburgh maintenance facility to an undesirble location and then after filing for bankruptcy seek a S.1113 motion against the IAM.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

He has to do what he has to do and the Mechanics will do what they have to do. Remember we can and will take this place down if that is what has to be done. And you will be coming with us. We am ready are you? Now quit your belly aching. You know where we stand and what will be done.

 

[delldude]

Pitguy:

You might be right, which is why the company is probably making alternative plans for maintenance work and why Bronner said the restructuring will go forward "with or without employees."

I agree with your thoughts and since the IAM will probably not cut a deal, Bronner will seek to move the Pittsburgh maintenance facility to an undesirble location and then after filing for bankruptcy seek a S.1113 motion against the IAM.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

I agree with your thoughts and since the IAM will probably not cut a deal, Bronner will seek to move the Pittsburgh maintenance facility to an undesirble location and then after filing for bankruptcy seek a S.1113 motion against the IAM.

in light of the neccessity of employee wage concesions and the prospect of losing money over Wn in PHL...where the hell is Bronner going to get the money to move the PIT maintenance facility?DUH...

 

[700UW]

Why would he move a facility if his intent was to abrogate the contract, he would farm out all maintenance, once again a320's logic (lack of) makes no sense.

 

[pitguy]

He is in panic mode.

 

[OldGuyinPA]

Crystal Palace...

Just do what your going to do...No threats anymore.

In the end ...who cares.........

 

[RowUnderDCA]

During the last "give away" the "Yes" vote prevailed by only 5 votes for the CWA. The whole process was soooo screwed up with retired agents receiving ballots, furloughed agents and active agents not receiving ballots, the voting system by phone was screwed up and some that had already voted had to vote again and that was only if you were lucky enough to have found out about the screwed up phone system. When the CWA members asked for a recount the answer of course was NO. If the "NO" votes would have prevailed, guaranteed, there would have been a recount or re-vote. Just ask the IAM.

Things have gotten much much worse in Res. since then with the added threat of furloughs due to outsourcing and the internet. This group is tired and disgusted and just want the whole mess to be over with. Will be extremely surprised if this group votes anything but "NO".

Honestly, do you really think that U will be looking for additional wage RATE reductions with CWA? Maybe a slight seniority give back, but it can't be a deal breaker. I'd doubt that ALPA would really make a big deal about it. Certainly, the new business model will just eliminate the need for a lot of CWA jobs, right? And with the 'mainline express' provisions, it just doesn't seem to be much moulah in RATE reductions. The business plan will take care of CWA.

Finally, I remember reading that there is a annual wage rate floor, below which the company will not cut. Maybe that has changed.

 

[bobcat]

RowUnderDCA

I can guarantee they wil be asking the CWA for pay cuts, higher contribution for health insurance, less vacation, seniority, less breaks, more calls per hour, less talk time(on calls), less time in between calls and what ever else they can think of. Remember the "Plan" is still the same. Remember Dave basically said that Res. was way over paid, non- productive thorns in this airline's side. He was bound and determined to get rid of this dept. and made no attempt at hiding his feelings and I'm sure his predesessor will do the same.

From what I have heard from this group, including many many senior agents, they are not willing to give up one red cent this time. That includes work rules too. The majority know that their time here is coming to an end no matter if they give or not. The ones that don't know will definately know the facts before it comes time to vote. Anyone with half a brain will come to the realization that "full pay until the last day" is the right thing for the CWA. As you said yourself the "Plan" definately is to get rid of Res/Gate/Ato.