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Worst Contract Carrier

Which airline are you most embarrassed to have representing US Airways?

  • Air Midwest

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Colgan Air

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chautauqua Airlines

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mesa Airlines

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Shuttle America

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trans States Airlines

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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crj579 said:
lower costs=contract carriers=you get to keep yourobvious superior appearance and attitudes. Afterall, you make twice as much and their f/a's and fo's are probably on food stamps.
Thats the point. The appearance should be the same, mainline, wholly owned or contract. You shouldnt be able to tell who you are on by the way they look. We all wear the same UNIFORM.
And that has nothing to do with being on food stamps.
Even the new hire Mesa F/As we had a couple of months ago managed to find blue pants/skirt and a white shirt that looked almost like the correct uniform before they got theirs on order. Its not too difficult to do.
 
While this poll is amusing............Airways doesn't care about the service.

Soon we will all see that in the end he/she with the most jets......WINS!!
 
PineyBob said:
Do you think that maybe SA has outlived its usefulness to US? and that's why they are pulling out of stations where SA operates the flights.
Read yesterday that PIT-TTN-BED will now remain thru the end of May at least, due to consumer demand.
 
Bob-

Your observation about no pillows actually proves your point about doing a good job even more- there is not supposed to be pillows on any Express carrier.

This is due to how the aircraft are cleaned and some sort of sanitation law (or perhaps just an Airways rule). Technically, they don't have a "pillow liscense". A friend of mine who flies for an Express carrier said they recieved specific instructions to throw out or give to catering any found on board. He said that customers and enterprising flight attendants take them from mainline aircraft and leave them, but they shouldn't be there. Blankets are another story for medical reasons.

Similarly, the use of cellular phones during taxi is currently permitted on mainline flights only. Again, this is something that each airline has to have individually approved, so until all carriers have this permission, no cell phone use on Express.

Will you be offered pillows on one Express flight, but not the other? Probably. Will an Express F/A not say a word as your seatmate roars his rental car plans into the phone as you taxi to the gate? Probably. Just because Airways vainly attempts to make ten different companies look and act the same, doesnt mean the carriers will comply. In some cases it's the company itself (low morale, high turnover, inexperienced, unprofessional culture- you know which ones) and in some its just an uncaring employee (who's going to tell on you when you work alone? And why should they care about US Airways anyway- thier paycheck doesnt come from them, and if US gets rid of thier carrier someone else will use them.)

Another thing to keep in mind is that many of these airlines contract with anywhere from one to four different "mainline" airlines. Employees and even aircraft are interchangeable, which affects the service levels you get. You may be hearing America West announcements, ot perhaps Delta does have pillows on thier affiliates flights.

Contract carrier flight attendants recieve very little training (Shuttle America is reportedly roughly a week, compared to major airlines that range from six to nine weeks) and most of it focuses on basic aircraft training. There is very little time spent on product familiarization. Ask your next Express F/A if US Airways flies to Japan, what the Star Alliance is, who Dave Siegel is, and what the tiers of the Dividend Miles program are. You'll be surprised.

The wholly owned US Airways Express carriers are a completely different story. They operate exclusively for Airways and thier training is very similar. The flight attendants of Allegheny, PSA, and Piedmont seem to be hired, trained, and expected to perform exactly as US Airways flight attendants. When one of thier F/As deadheaded on US, you wouldnt know the difference from a mainline F/A (well, when mainline still had junior people). When some of the affiliates F/As did, you usually knew. Also, despite some bad blood (mostly between pilots), the W/Os consider themselves and are considered part of the family- just another part of US Airways Group, whose direction is controlled from CCY.

They should hire me as VP- Consistency and Acting Like A Real Airline.
 
I think part of the problem with MESA is caused by Dave and Daves expectations of them. They are expected to operate with NO spare aircraft, yet they are a pretty large part of our operation. We are in such a hurry to deploy these airplanes as quick as we get them, we do not allow for irregularities. That is partly our fault for building the marketing schedule with no room for irregular ops, unplanned mtc, etc. So from a reliability prospective MESA may be less reliable, but it is because of the demands that WE put on them. If we are talking about things from the porspective of service, then that is a whole different ball game.

When it comes to how the entire express operation is run, there are improvements that need to be made there as well. Technically there are 12 carriers that operate as US Airways. (10 express carriers, mainline and soon, Mid Atlantic.) Each of these carriers operates as their own independant operation. There is no sense of cooperation between any of the carriers. We do not offer a unified product, even from an operational perspective. MESA does things there way, mainline does things there way, Air Midwest does their own thing, etc. There is no one providing an operational oversight to the entire operation of the airline. The entire airline needs to operate on the same page, uniformly and consistently. From everything from schedules and operational performance to service. If there is a market served by 5 different carriers and mainline, the service expectations should be the same on every aircraft. There should never be a time when TSA offers a beverage service on a 50 seat airplane, MESA doesn't, it is hit or miss with SA, Allegheny will won't if the load factor is over 50% and PSA will serve if the F/A feels like it. These are things that happen today. From a customer prospective I should have a set expectation everytime I step on an airplane and we better be able to meet those expectations - every single time, no matter which airline is providing the airplane.
 
Why is that, in the airline industry, the mainline operators, some of whom have invested over 70 years time establishing their name, pay the contract carriers for using the mainline name? If you wanted to open a McDonalds or a Burger King,
you would have to pay the parent company a franchise fee for use of that name.
You would also be required to maintain certain service standards to prevent damage to the reputation of the franchise. Also, supplies are purchased from the parent company. No wonder the legacy carriers are floundering...
 
BTW, Mesa should go. They have the largest impact on the US Airways reputation.
 
It certainly appears that decisions about express flying are made the same way as heavy maintenance - what's the cheapest way. Quality & reputation seem to be pretty far down the list.

Jim
 
Along the topic of the sheer number of US Express carriers: a lack of operational flexibility. Flights cant just be swapped between express carriers (unless they both fly the route). Let's say that express operator A's flight from CLT to East Podunk has a mechanical on a flight booked to 50 with no protection available. Express operator B has a flight to South Sucatash booked to 20. (with rerouting possible via PIT). Carrier B can't swap their plane on to the flight and cancel the Souh Sucatash trip to fly to East Pdunk. Or suppose carriers's RJ has no mtc problem but their crew is stuck in PHL. Carrier B has an ERJ crew available, but they can't fly A's airplane.



BTW, just to stick up for some of Mesa people. While many of the crews (especially F/A's) are very green, very many of them do great jobs (for little money). Yes. I've seen some less than pefect ones, too. I won't say what I think about the dispatch or scheduling. (Some of their pilots have what I'll call a "conservative" attitude toward flying in the conditions that are sometimes seen in the Northeastern US in winter. Hey I would too if I had to learned fly in Arizona. 😀 ).
 
Bob,

With all due respect, I don't think they care. Or maybe it's that they don't care enough.

If SA goes away, do you think it will be because of their poor service, or because Mesa, Chatauqua, MDA, etc. have enough RJ's to replace them???

I'll put my money on the latter. :up:
 
Bottom line is that if mainline management wanted them to dress appropriately then they would care enough to do something about it. And ... until the mainline employees fight to do away with contracting out all their work, then nothing will be done. I put total blame on all the employees and management at USAirways. If ya don't like it, change it. I have a sneaking suspicion that you secretly like your pay and the contract carriers help you keep costs down. Just ask yourself this question: How would you feel about your job if you worked for $1000/month with no hope of moving up to a decent company with good pay? Many would make more working for McDonalds. IMHO, One brand=One list is the only way to stop the inconsistencies.
 
As a PSA gate agent in PIT, I work with all these carriers...and Shuttle America is far and away the biggest headache to deal with. Yes, even Mesa is a walk in the park compared to them.
 
PineyBob said:
dashflyer said:
Bob,

With all due respect, I don't think they care. Or maybe it's that they don't care enough.

If SA goes away, do you think it will be because of their poor service, or because Mesa, Chatauqua, MDA, etc. have enough RJ's to replace them???

I'll put my money on the latter. :up:
Actually Dash I think they care a great deal. I also know that they aren't going to to do a thing until they get enough RJ's to cut SA off at the knees. so we are both right.

Safe Flying
Agreed!!! 🙂
 
PineyBob said:
Just curious is the big white Saab SA uses still parked over in E-5? I had to get on that one once on a mechanical. Wish me luck, I'm gonna need it.

What do you think the odds are of all 4 segments running smoothly?

I have no confidence! None, Nada, Zip, Zilch. I'm preparing for the worst and expecting nothing. That way I can be pleasantly surprised. or really really mad.
Last time I saw it it was parked on E14. 😀

As for all segments running smoothly...bet it won't happen, if you can find someone to counter you. Money in the bank.




And...good luck!
 
Bob,
That's affectionately known as Moby Dick,the great white whale!
 

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