Your Choise

[delldude]

there was no "interpretting, clarivoinancy" involved in that post. I was just reflecting that "all you had to say about the matter" was just that. That is all you say about it. I mean the same thing over and over ad naseum....
not to mention the "judge mitchell contract abrogation" and the " union members voted the contract in, not the iam" statements. it just is the same thing.. you got to the rampers post and post the same thing.... Just you saying it does not make it true. If you want to call us liars about the iam contract posted on the ibt site, then post the real version where we can find it. wait you will say contact dl142, the company etc.. for a copy. I have and can not get a copy. you will not let me see your copy. so how do we know if it is valid or not

its on the hub for all to glean dude...

 

[PhxRanchHand]

sorry dell, we can't get the "hub". we only get Compass... any other places we might get it??

 

[Snafu]

sorry dell, we can't get the "hub". we only get Compass... any other places we might get it??

If the IBT can post it, why can't the IAM?

Ms. Shapley, Labor Relations, PHX Hangar, is supposed to have a copy. I'm sure she'll let you see it.

 

[delldude]

If the IBT can post it, why can't the IAM?

Ms. Shapley, Labor Relations, PHX Hangar, is supposed to have a copy. I'm sure she'll let you see it.

the company printing and distributing IAM contracts was agreed to way back in the 50's or 60's.thats the way its been for as long as i can remember.should they provide an electronic media type?maybe so,but thats not my call.
call Bob Roach,IAM HQ....tell him the 'dude says look into it.

 

[Bird Doctor]

QUOTE(700UW @ Jan 9 2006, 07:27 AM)

Go read the RLA and the NMB policies.

When AMFA beat the IAM at NWA and UAL, the IAM/CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.

When AMFA beat the ibt at WN, the ibt CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.

When the PFAA beat the ibt at NWA the ibt CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.

Dont let the law and facts get in your way.



Pinocchio
READ THIS

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

19.602 Status of Representation Certifications
Existing certifications remain in effect until the NMB issues a new certification or dismissal.

I called and talked to one of the Principal Official for the NMB this morning and I was told that which ever union wins the vote for representation is the union whos contract will takes precedents. Pinocchio lies again

Maybe you should call and talk to them. Here is there link http://www.nmb.gov/directory/deptmenu.html to help you get to the TRUTH because someone is filling you with the wrong info. You should read IBT ART 3 and your IAM ART 3 pgh E of the contracts. Who acquierd who?

What you post might of been what happened in the past, and wishfull thinking but not TRUE if a vote is called, and it will.

SO beleave what you want and rant all you want. Tell your IAM lies.
I got the TRUTH from the NMB

 

[700UW]

It is no lie, I have provided clear cut precedent cases.

You are the one who is posting lies, even the ibt says on the 104 web page the IAM CBA is the surviving document.

You called? That is the funniest thing I have ever heard, so now the ibt is lying too?

Keep trying.

By the way, Barbell which aquired US and HP is a subsidary of US Airways Group Inc.

From the 104 Web page

If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.

If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement

If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements. (this part has all ready been proven wrong about a whole new contract).

 

[Bird Doctor]

It is no lie, I have provided clear cut precedent cases.

You are the one who is posting lies, even the ibt says on the 104 web page the IAM CBA is the surviving document.

You called? That is the funniest thing I have ever heard, so now the ibt is lying too?

Keep trying.

By the way, Barbell which aquired US and HP is a subsidary of US Airways Group Inc.

From the 104 Web page
QUOTE
If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.

If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement

If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements. (this part has all ready been proven wrong about a whole new contract).

READ what you post:If there is no election. If there is an election and the Machinists is certifiedand. If the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement.

AS I said "I called and talked to one of the Principal Official for the NMB this morning and I was told that which ever union wins the vote for representation is the union whos contract will takes precedents." Pinocchio lies again.

I did say when just that there would or could be a change.
I didn't know I had to spell every detale out for you.

 

[700UW]

So which lie are you going with now?

You said in your previous post if there is an election the ibt contract would be what everyone is working under.

Now you say something differant.

Which is it gonna be?

If you are going lie, you better have a good memory to keep the lies straight.

 

[Bird Doctor]

Pincchio

SORRY I just posted what I was told by the NMB official. They did not say when it would go into effict so I didn't give it any thought. So you get to have your IAM contract for awile wile we finish our talks.
So go on with your rants.

 

[SSBB]

116 votes out of a represented 850 plus westies......thats a terrible show of IBT solidarity.
probably the total number who sent in cards too.

More than the showing from the IAM. You know and I know that not every one has internet. Although 91 out of 850 is 10%, 26 out of 5482 is .005% so who has the better showing? It is just a poll

 

[awausairtech]

So which lie are you going with now?

You said in your previous post if there is an election the ibt contract would be what everyone is working under.

Now you say something differant.

Which is it gonna be?

If you are going lie, you better have a good memory to keep the lies straight.

Professional IAM BS ARTIST IS ALL WE SEE, Half the truth, Missing leading the facts, twisting the words.

QUOTE(700UW)
It works the same the three previous mergers, the HP AMTs will be transitioned to the IAM/CBA and there will be negotiations between the company and the union to sure up the difference between the two contracts and hopefully improve the IAM CBA.
Misleading info. (SEE hopefully improve) WHAT I SEE: NEGOTIATIONS TILL 2009.
QUOTE (700UW
Go read the RLA and the NMB policies.
When AMFA beat the IAM at NWA and UAL, the IAM/CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.
When AMFA beat the ibt at WN, the ibt CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.
When the PFAA beat the ibt at NWA the ibt CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.
Half Truth info with a Mislead on the facts.
(The IBT contract is Amendable NOW) This is unlike ALL the other mergers or accusations that the old USAIRWAYS went through and other AIRLINES or Unions.

QUOTE (700UW)
How many times do you have to be told your ibt CBA will be going bye bye?
Half Truth with a Twist
(Only if there is no vote or WE THE IBT loses the vote.)

Professional IAM BS ARTIST IS ALL WE SEE, Half the truth, Missing leading the facts, twisting the words.


1. Single carrier status has NOT been declared. (The Truth)
2. The cards are being collected to force a vote. (The Truth)
3. When and if there are enough cards to force a vote PER 19.6 before or within the 30 DAY DEAD LINE. The vote will take place and then the representing union will be declared. (The Truth)
4. If the IBT wins the Vote before or within the 30 day dead line. EAST will stay under IAM contract until the NEW IBT contract. The WEST IBT WILL STAY UNDER THE CURRENT IBT contract. (Truth)
5. If the IBT wins the vote EAST will go under the NEW contract that is AMENDABLE at this time when it is RATIFIED after single carrier rule OR if the company is willing to for go the wait and let the EAST in the contract before single carrier. (Truth)

LET THE TRUTH HIT YOU IN THE FACE PUSH YOUR NOSE IN PINCCHIO.

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists; the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.
AND JUST FOR YOU DELL..(When and if there) Is a TRUE statment..

DIE with the OLD (IAM) or GROWwith the NEW (IBT)YES>>>>IBT [ 91 ] [77.78%]
YES>>>>IAM [ 26 ] [22.22%]

 

[Snafu]

or to supplement the showing of interest.[/b]
AND JUST FOR YOU DELL..(When and if there) Is a TRUE statment..

DIE with the OLD (IAM) or GROWwith the NEW (IBT)YES>>>>IBT [ 91 ] [77.78%]
YES>>>>IAM [ 26 ] [22.22%]

What's that mean. "or to supplement the showing of interest"??????

IAM since 1949??? Holy crap!! Definitley time to change them shorts.

 

[delldude]

Professional IAM BS ARTIST IS ALL WE SEE, Half the truth, Missing leading the facts, twisting the words.

its quite a shame you have to go to these lengths.
especially when your claims and statements are continually assassinated by information your union has provided on your unions website.
get a grip man....you're making your union look like a bunch of second rate fools.i have more respect for IBT than to do what you're doing.....

providing factual unbiased discourse to your postings.... B)

JUST THE FACTS,MAN...JUST THE FACTS

 

[AIRWOMAN]

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists; the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

What's that mean. "or to supplement the showing of interest"??????

Anyone?? Can anyone interpret this??

 

[awausairtech]

What's that mean. "or to supplement the showing of interest"??????

IAM since 1949??? Holy crap!! Definitley time to change them shorts.

Here you go LOTS OF CUT AND PASTE LOL. The whole thing.
We tried to keep it short and cut out some, That supplement the showing was a type-o look at 19.603.

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the Investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper
craft or class. The rules regarding percentage of valid authorizations In NMB Rule §1206.2 (29 CFR § 1206.2) and bar rules in NMB Rule §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section.

19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System

Incumbent organizations or Individuals on the affected carrier(s) must submit evidence of representation or a showing of interest
from at least thirty-five (35) percent of the employees In the
craft or class. This evidence Includes, but Is not limited to, a
seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other Indicia, of current representation.

19.602 If the organization or individual filing the application does not
represent any of the employees covered by the application, the organization or individual must submit authorization cards from at least thirty-five (35) percent of the employees In the craft or class. If a single, organization or individual represents all of the employees in a craft or class on the newly created single
transportation system, an application filed by an intervening organization or individual must be supported by authorization cards from a majority (more than fifty (50) percent) of the employees In the craft or class. (See Section 3.601).

19.603 If not already filed with the Initial application, organizations (Incumbents and Intervenors) have fourteen (14) calendar days from the date of the NMB's single transportation system determination to submit evidence of a showing of interest or to supplement the showing of Interest on the single transportation system.

Applications that do not meet the showing of interest requirements will be dismissed.

19.7 Status of Representation Certifications

Existing certifications remain in effect until the NMB Issues a new certification or dismissal.