American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by Buck, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. Tim Nelson

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    the straw man was barely, if ever, successful. Last year a pilot group used it but its zuccess was the exception.
     
  2. swamt

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    The straw man rule is not even active yet. A good union attorney would be able to keep that law out IF the card drive was started before that law was enacted. Because they could argue that that law was not in place at the time cards were started. But, if the card drive does not start until after the law is enacted then they will be forces to work with it in place.
     
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  3. NYer

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    Never said it was.

    Just asking what the feeling would be if there was no straw man and the only choices were incumbent, no union and write in.

    It isn't a trick question. Just curious.

    Everyone is so defensive on this subject. :(
     
  4. bigjets

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    Middle of summer and no negotiations scheduled and only thing we hear from association is, work OT and not to disrupt airline. This is a far cry from Samuelsons bluster at townhall meeting.

    Why exactly do we have an association representing us? To tell me not to disrupt the company that provides me my livelihood, that provides me training in my chosen profession, that provides me with health insurance?

    So far what the association has done is collect dues and.............

    How many more YEARS is the twu going to leave money on the table.
     
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  5. V.O. Reason

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    For as long as they can keep picking our pockets clean I’m sure.
    If these guys answered to a board they would have been fired long ago
     
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  6. Tim Nelson

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    I get the feeling that this would be minimized, just like the strawman was.
     
  7. swamt

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    C'mon NYer. You know exactly why some are so defensive. Because there has been too many people getting on these forums, whenever a card drive is discussed or is activated, and they are here for one purpose, to try and destroy the card drive and to spread complete lies and misinformation to cause purpose confusion to cause others from signing a card. And is exactly why you will get myself and others on here to keep the real truth flowing by correcting any misinformation out there.
     
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  8. NYer

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    That's fine, but I haven't been doing that.

    Just curious to how everyone felt about the proposed changes and the consequences those changes may have.
     
  9. ATD

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    TWU International President John Samuelsen confronts Robert Isom, President of American Airlines.

    “I stand here to tell you in front of this whole room, in front of everybody, anybody who is listening, that you’re not going to get what you want and if this erupts into the bloodiest, ugliest battle that the United States labor movement has ever saw, that's what is gonna happen.”

    “If we ever get to a point where there is self-help, we are on a engage in absolutely vicious strike action against American Airlines to the likes of which you have never seen.”
    And because of the above statement: Samuelson new mantra

    ”I’m going sign any agreement that sells everyone down the river, its going to happen. We are not going to defend our members, we are gonna defend the union's future so I can stay employed.”

    -John Samuelsen
    TWU International President
     
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  10. 1AA

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    That's why Samuelson is in over his head. This is AA under TWU representation. He has gone roque. The TWU will never engage in actions he is venting about. Even in a self help mode. We are not the MTA. We are the lame TWU.
     
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  11. Buck

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    It won't be long until the AFL-CIO shows up if they haven't already.
     
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  12. cltrat

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    That was a stupid outburst no matter your prospective on this
     
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  13. bigjets

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    #20218 bigjets, Jul 22, 2019
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    And does what, force a vote to have one union. As far as I’m concerned the only thing to make me happy as far as unions go, is to have one union representing title 1 workers of AA and all other members in the other union.
     
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  14. swamt

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    You have been on one issue so far. You have been saying that there will only be asso., (incum.) no union and a write-in will be the only options. This is not true. In order to have a possible vote you would have to have another outside union, or, even one of the two current unions, but some here are claiming they cannot as it is against their own rules, anyway, an outside (different) union would have to collect cards to show the NMB that there is an interest. IF there are enough cards collected, and let's use AMFA just for example purposes, then the NMB would call for a representational election with the choices of AMFA, Asso., No Union, and a Write-in option. There will be no representational election UNLESS there is enough cards collected outside of current representation.
    Most are not concerned about the SM as it is not active as of yet. Once it becomes active then, maybe, some will start thinking about it. But, really, in the long run, all one would have to do is educate themselves more on the issue and rework accordingly to still favor a representation election to rid the mechanics of this abortion union representation. And you fleet boys should do the same, but could care less what fleet does or not.
     
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  15. NYer

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    Source: National Mediation Board

    "The proposed rule would eliminate the “straw man” process employees are currently required to navigate in order to exercise the right to decertify. Under the “straw man” process, employees with current representation seeking a decertification election must submit authorization cards seeking representation by an individual employee who must be listed by name. If “straw man” cards are submitted representing at least 50% of the employee group, an election is directed allowing employees to vote for their current representative, the “straw man,” no union, or a write-in option. In order to decertify, employees must vote for “no union” or for the “straw man” who, once certified, can subsequently disclaim interest."

    "Under the proposed rule, employees would be able to submit authorization cards stating the intention to decertify. If cards are submitted representing the intent of at least 50% of the employee group to decertify, the Board will authorize an election with the current representative and “no union,” along with a write-in option." (emphasis added)

    "Additionally, the two year election bar currently applied following a successful representation election will similarly be applied to a successful decertification election."
     

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