American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Kev3188]

Amazing they get paid like that to misrepresent the membership.

You literally have an Fleet AGC on this board bragging about how he hasn't seen the inside of a bin in years. He made sure to add plenty of "Lol's," 'cause apparently having out-of-touch reps is funny to him. Spoiler alert: It's not.

Complaining about their salary helps you how? You should focus on the company. Their salaries are nothing compared to what upper management is making.

You're not wrong. The difference is YOU are paying Samuelson & CO. They work for you.

At the end of the day, peterson and samuelson saved Isom and parkers job. Those 2 got away with blaming and possibly billing the union.

Isom and Parker have been 2 steps ahead all along. Samuelson played right into it.

 

[cltrat]

No doubt you may be correct but the union boss rhetoric gave parker and isom opportunity for a sacrificial lamb.
The union rhetoric putting out flyers "nmb drop dead", "Amsrican can shove profits up their asses", "bloody war" isnt doing us any favors.
In this world, the powers that be are not intimidated with unprofessionalism. Cripes, even cussing is barely tolerated.
75 years ago, Samuelson and his baseball bat mentality wouldda been useful. Now its incredibly destructive.
At the end of the day, peterson and samuelson saved Isom and parkers job. Those 2 got away with blaming and possibly billing the union.

hard to disagree with you on this

 

[swamt]

Really no info from this update. But according little timmy it ended abruptly, whatever that means, right?
No further meetings set at this time is not good, although they did say they look forward to the NMB contacting them for further dates. Hey asso. maybe they were not so happy with the answers you morons provided. Did you guys forget to mention anything about "MOVEMENT???" Heloooo!!! Obviously something bothered them enough not to at least "look" at some further dates. Pathetic update once again from the asso.

August 16, 2019

The National Mediation Board (NMB) held separate meetings with TWU/IAM Association Leadership (first) and American Management (later) on Thursday in Washington D.C. The purpose of the meetings was for the three NMB Board Members to discuss the status of our negotiations with both parties. The Federal Mediators who attended our earlier negotiations were also present.

Both parties were granted an opportunity to state the reasons they felt were preventing both sides from reaching an agreement. The Association, which was represented by Director Sito Pantoja and Vice Director Alex Garcia, told the Board it is American’s failure to return to the negotiating table that is preventing us from reaching an agreement. The Association also impressed on the Board that there are still five major issues that need to be resolved: Scope, Wages, Profit Sharing, Medical and Retirement. The Board Members asked follow-up questions about these open issues. Our responses made it crystal clear to the Board that we are willing to negotiate anytime, anywhere.

The Association also made the Board aware of the Company’s blatant attempt to divide our members by spewing misinformation about the bargaining sessions on Jetnet.

We expect the NMB Board Members to contact both parties next week with their plan for further negotiations.

In other related news, Association Negotiation Committees along with TWU Local and IAM Lodge leadership also met in Washington D.C. to discuss Monday’s court decision, the subsequent court filing by American on Tuesday and the Association’s appeal filed on Wednesday. To be clear, we must comply with the orders of the court.

Our discussions also reaffirmed that the court orders do not change the objectives of the negotiation committees to obtain the best contract in the industry. After years of sacrifices, an industry leading contract has been earned – and also promised by top American executives.

Please Post on All TWU- IAM Bulletin Boards

 

[AANOTOK]

Really no info from this update. But according little timmy it ended abruptly, whatever that means, right?
No further meetings set at this time is not good, although they did say they look forward to the NMB contacting them for further dates. Hey asso. maybe they were not so happy with the answers you morons provided. Did you guys forget to mention anything about "MOVEMENT???" Heloooo!!! Obviously something bothered them enough not to at least "look" at some further dates. Pathetic update once again from the asso.

August 16, 2019

The National Mediation Board (NMB) held separate meetings with TWU/IAM Association Leadership (first) and American Management (later) on Thursday in Washington D.C. The purpose of the meetings was for the three NMB Board Members to discuss the status of our negotiations with both parties. The Federal Mediators who attended our earlier negotiations were also present.

Both parties were granted an opportunity to state the reasons they felt were preventing both sides from reaching an agreement. The Association, which was represented by Director Sito Pantoja and Vice Director Alex Garcia, told the Board it is American’s failure to return to the negotiating table that is preventing us from reaching an agreement. The Association also impressed on the Board that there are still five major issues that need to be resolved: Scope, Wages, Profit Sharing, Medical and Retirement. The Board Members asked follow-up questions about these open issues. Our responses made it crystal clear to the Board that we are willing to negotiate anytime, anywhere.

The Association also made the Board aware of the Company’s blatant attempt to divide our members by spewing misinformation about the bargaining sessions on Jetnet.

We expect the NMB Board Members to contact both parties next week with their plan for further negotiations.

In other related news, Association Negotiation Committees along with TWU Local and IAM Lodge leadership also met in Washington D.C. to discuss Monday’s court decision, the subsequent court filing by American on Tuesday and the Association’s appeal filed on Wednesday. To be clear, we must comply with the orders of the court.

Our discussions also reaffirmed that the court orders do not change the objectives of the negotiation committees to obtain the best contract in the industry. After years of sacrifices, an industry leading contract has been earned – and also promised by top American executives.

Please Post on All TWU- IAM Bulletin Boards

Just a FYI...I have it from an extremely reliable source, in the latest Association Update, they left out a “bunch” of information...no surprise I know...it will come out.
Maybe the Warriors can do one of their “drive by’s” and finish it.

 

[dfw gen]

Just a FYI...I have it from an extremely reliable source, in the latest Association Update, they left out a “bunch” of information...no surprise I know...it will come out.
Maybe the Warriors can do one of their “drive by’s” and finish it.

Care to "drive by" and fill us in?

 

[TWU informer]

The Association also made the Board aware of the Company’s blatant attempt to divide our members by spewing misinformation about the bargaining sessions on Jetnet.

Am I the only one that views this position as hypocrisy?

The Association requested that the company keep negotiation details private and away from the membership. Even in this update the Association provides no details or position statements on the listed open items left to negotiate. The company gets frustrated and uses Jetnet to communicate their table position.

Association for awhile now and even in current update claims the company is spewing misinformation yet they don’t give us the Association position. Nor do they detail what part of company communications is misinformation.

Standing on the street corner with a bull horn screaming the company is lying while not providing detailed truth or rebuttal to company information is patently a common tactic of someone with something to hide.

Maybe I missed something
Does any reader here have details of the Association table position that might prove the company is dishonest?

Don’t be hoodwinked by union rhetoric
Demand the truth, with facts and details

 

[NYer]

Really no info from this update. But according little timmy it ended abruptly, whatever that means, right?
No further meetings set at this time is not good, although they did say they look forward to the NMB contacting them for further dates. Hey asso. maybe they were not so happy with the answers you morons provided. Did you guys forget to mention anything about "MOVEMENT???" Heloooo!!! Obviously something bothered them enough not to at least "look" at some further dates. Pathetic update once again from the asso.

August 16, 2019

The National Mediation Board (NMB) held separate meetings with TWU/IAM Association Leadership (first) and American Management (later) on Thursday in Washington D.C. The purpose of the meetings was for the three NMB Board Members to discuss the status of our negotiations with both parties. The Federal Mediators who attended our earlier negotiations were also present.

Both parties were granted an opportunity to state the reasons they felt were preventing both sides from reaching an agreement. The Association, which was represented by Director Sito Pantoja and Vice Director Alex Garcia, told the Board it is American’s failure to return to the negotiating table that is preventing us from reaching an agreement. The Association also impressed on the Board that there are still five major issues that need to be resolved: Scope, Wages, Profit Sharing, Medical and Retirement. The Board Members asked follow-up questions about these open issues. Our responses made it crystal clear to the Board that we are willing to negotiate anytime, anywhere.

The Association also made the Board aware of the Company’s blatant attempt to divide our members by spewing misinformation about the bargaining sessions on Jetnet.

We expect the NMB Board Members to contact both parties next week with their plan for further negotiations.

In other related news, Association Negotiation Committees along with TWU Local and IAM Lodge leadership also met in Washington D.C. to discuss Monday’s court decision, the subsequent court filing by American on Tuesday and the Association’s appeal filed on Wednesday. To be clear, we must comply with the orders of the court.

Our discussions also reaffirmed that the court orders do not change the objectives of the negotiation committees to obtain the best contract in the industry. After years of sacrifices, an industry leading contract has been earned – and also promised by top American executives.

Please Post on All TWU- IAM Bulletin Boards

They have to keep appearances.

Aside from your points, I'm sure they weren't happy with the "drop dead" letter either.

At this point, their releases amount to talking to their base. The reality of the meeting will be felt when the NMB announces if there are any dates to be scheduled.

The reality is that the contempt hearing and probable fine will dictate the course of these negotiations moving forward. They will portray themselves as the tough guys while later blaming the Executives, "corrupt" Judges and "biased" Mediators.

 

[ALUS78]

So, the meeting yesterday abruptly ended. The union is appealing the injunction. Imo this puts our own representation at risk since the union is going for broke. And imo it may have to revoke its certification as the iam did last year with a different set of mechanics.

Remember, the meter is running.

Im actually at a loss for words cuz there is negative leverage. They should at least allow people to vote before climbing the appeal death wish.
I guess ill give Samuelson credit for this gambit and sticking to his words. Even though its almost certainly going to end with serious job loss and benefit loss.
No doubt, now, this certainly will end up as the biggest flop or gain in the history of Labor.
If the company wasnt healthy then id give better odds to the union but, cmon maaannn. The odds of winning this is about 1000/1.
All of our jobs will be in the balance.

Warning Will Robinson!

If you really look at it WE the majority of employees are in the middle and are innocent victims in this showdown.In the end we are the ones losing.You got some ego chit going here now to big mouth goes with a big head

 

[Rogallo]

We'll get 'em next time!

 

[ALUS78]

You guys can talk smack all you want about Sammy. But, the fact remains, Isom is a punk. He's the whole reason as the guy in charge of operations, everything is in the tank. I stand by my opinion, he deserves to be called out and really, he deserves to be fired.

Just curious is there a former CEO you did like

 

[V.O. Reason]

From today’s update about the NMB meeting it’s clear this Ass still has no clue how to negotiate.
They mention the 5 issues that remain unresolved.
Hey hate to tell you they are resolved as far as the companies position is.
The union needs to figure out how to tweak those parts of the offer and stop grandstanding on we won’t move off scope and insurance and such things.

It’s just as I predicted nothing will change with these guys and the court orders and NMB meeting.
Morons we are dealing with morons

 

[Rogallo]

HAD ENOUGH YET?

 

[B737 driver]

The Association also made the Board aware of the Company’s blatant attempt to divide our members by spewing misinformation about the bargaining sessions on Jetnet.

Am I the only one that views this position as hypocrisy?

The Association requested that the company keep negotiation details private and away from the membership. Even in this update the Association provides no details or position statements on the listed open items left to negotiate. The company gets frustrated and uses Jetnet to communicate their table position.

Association for awhile now and even in current update claims the company is spewing misinformation yet they don’t give us the Association position. Nor do they detail what part of company communications is misinformation.

Standing on the street corner with a bull horn screaming the company is lying while not providing detailed truth or rebuttal to company information is patently a common tactic of someone with something to hide.

Maybe I missed something
Does any reader here have details of the Association table position that might prove the company is dishonest?

Don’t be hoodwinked by union rhetoric
Demand the truth, with facts and details

Well I can honestly say through our 7 years of negotiations AMFA kept us informed what the company wanted and what our counter offers were.it was only in the last three years of the 7, that SWA basically started providing their notes through our Emails and SWAlife to try to drive a wedge between the union and it's members. And people were getting pissed off including me. But eventually it came to a conclusion. So you can take a so so deal and then get rid of them. Just like us and United three times.

 

[NYer]

From today’s update about the NMB meeting it’s clear this Ass still has no clue how to negotiate.
They mention the 5 issues that remain unresolved.
Hey hate to tell you they are resolved as far as the companies position is.
The union needs to figure out how to tweak those parts of the offer and stop grandstanding on we won’t move off scope and insurance and such things.

It’s just as I predicted nothing will change with these guys and the court orders and NMB meeting.
Morons we are dealing with morons

You realize some of these guys were telling their Members the BK threat in 2011 was fake and we should call their bluff during those mediated negotiations. (Even the Mediators said BK was probable) They also advocated to vote no on a BK contract because the Company would never abrogate their current CBA.

This current trajectory shouldn't a surprise to anyone, least of all Maintenance guys.

 

[Eagle]

No more personal attacks. If you cannot keep it civil, you cannot stay. It's really that simple. Thank you.