TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[MetalMover]

Why another 3rd party union? Why not do like the stews or pilots if you are going to get rid of the mx association. I doubt any lus mx would leave the protections of the association as the association has been all good for lus.

Not just that, but I believe if the the LUS people were to vote the IAM out, would that mean kissing the IAMNPF pension goodbye as well?

 

[swamt]

 
It's about friggin' time! IMO

I know. Sorry for the long wait. But this was one of the reasons for removing the current leaders out. It's time for AMFA to grow, expand, and hopefully become the major airline union of all airlines as they are the craft union just like most all the Pilots and F/A's has moved to.  
 

 
IGM!

Exactly what I thought.
 

Not just that, but I believe if the the LUS people were to vote the IAM out, would that mean kissing the IAMNPF pension goodbye as well?

No. But the IAM will in fact scare the membership to death with that threat, and drive it so hard that you believe it. The factual answer is that NO your pension fund would not be completely gone. It may stop taking inputs in investing, but they cannot flat out take it away from you. But they (IAM) will tell you guys that it will be gone if you vote them out as a way to hold you guys hostage in order for you guys not to vote them out. It's the exact same thing with the teamsters pensions and their scare tactics. It's all a game from the industrial unions playing "games" with it's members and their lively hoods, PATHETIC!!!  A tactic to keep a strangle hold on the membership in order for the membership to not vote them out, all scare tactics...

 

[skinvalve]

How much longer? 60% got it wrong. Some still think a JCBA is imminent. Sad so sad.

 

[1AA]

I remember after the NMB signed off on the Association many said ok now we can get a JCBA. AA guys were hoping to get the 10 holidays back, the doubletime ot and so on. After believing Parker about an ILC and Delta plus 7 here we are over 2 years later. Both unions argue over what should stay and go in proposals, work rules, scope and so on. Then the company hardly shows up long enough at the table to make a effort in getting it done. Then just last week this Johnsen dude comes out of no where and sets negotiations back a spell. Updates from the union are vague. We have no real updates or good communications between the TWU and IAM guys out on the field. The TWU organized a few pickets around the system and the IAM leadership was mute on this. Yea so here we are another summer season of record bookings and we are still as separate as the day the Association was formed. Ok I'll add the pay raise. Other than that it's just wait and hope.

 

[swamt]

Well I admit that I was wrong. I guessed the 12-18 months. I really did think you guys would have finished before us especially after we found out the company was gonna do a pay freeze for the 5 years.

 

[texasreb]

I remember after the NMB signed off on the Association many said ok now we can get a JCBA. AA guys were hoping to get the 10 holidays back, the doubletime ot and so on. After believing Parker about an ILC and Delta plus 7 here we are over 2 years later. Both unions argue over what should stay and go in proposals, work rules, scope and so on. Then the company hardly shows up long enough at the table to make a effort in getting it done. Then just last week this Johnsen dude comes out of no where and sets negotiations back a spell. Updates from the union are vague. We have no real updates or good communications between the TWU and IAM guys out on the field. The TWU organized a few pickets around the system and the IAM leadership was mute on this. Yea so here we are another summer season of record bookings and we are still as separate as the day the Association was formed. Ok I'll add the pay raise. Other than that it's just wait and hope.

You know that's not the way of the TWU. We have to wait until the economy takes a dump before we sign a consessionary contract. So wait a while and we'll get our new contract.

 

[B737 driver]

I remember after the NMB signed off on the Association many said ok now we can get a JCBA. AA guys were hoping to get the 10 holidays back, the doubletime ot and so on. After believing Parker about an ILC and Delta plus 7 here we are over 2 years later. Both unions argue over what should stay and go in proposals, work rules, scope and so on. Then the company hardly shows up long enough at the table to make a effort in getting it done. Then just last week this Johnsen dude comes out of no where and sets negotiations back a spell. Updates from the union are vague. We have no real updates or good communications between the TWU and IAM guys out on the field. The TWU organized a few pickets around the system and the IAM leadership was mute on this. Yea so here we are another summer season of record bookings and we are still as separate as the day the Association was formed. Ok I'll add the pay raise. Other than that it's just wait and hope.

Sounds like American management, aka USair, Aka America West is using the SWA playbook of window dressing, looks like the TWU is trying to do something, and the IAM continues to reap the benefits of your situation, sad.

 

[Rogallo]

HAD ENOUGH YET?

 

[1AA]

As long as the dues keep flowing, there is no urgency to get it done. I think things will get a bit more interesting after our AA TWU contract extends into the amendable stage. We can call ourselves the boyz of summer, summer of 2018.

 

[Jester]

Any Association group? I think one of the groups can get a TA within 6 months... passing it is another matter.

Correct. The question is how long before any one of the groups is presented with something comprehensive to vote on, which is to say how long before negotiations actually produce anything.

Did I win anything? I had 4-6 months....

"American Airlines and the Transport Workers Union (TWU) Local 549 have reached a tentative agreement on a new joint collective bargaining agreement for Dispatchers and Operational Specialists."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-airlines-transport-workers-union-000500029.html

Too bad it wasn't one of the larger groups, and now let's see if it passes.

How much longer? 60% got it wrong. Some still think a JCBA is imminent. Sad so sad.

I thought I won this contest a long time ago... no wonder I never saw the check in the mail! Although my "reward" has been to review predictions and so-called "progress" of the negotiations over the years, but I had to review 700UW again, and how much miss the wit of Chock.

The discussion evolved from any Association group to more of mechanics and fleet service, which would be expected. And I had a hearty chuckle over some discounting the prediction of others at 24-48 months as being that of a raving loon.

 

[Bob Owens]

HAD ENOUGH YET?

As long as the dues keep flowing, there is no urgency to get it done. I think things will get a bit more interesting after our AA TWU contract extends into the amendable stage. We can call ourselves the boyz of summer, summer of 2018.

YES. I think we have been more than patient with this Association, everything I've seen so far leads me to believe that they are trying to force us into this IAMNPF. This serves two purposes, it locks us into the Association permanently by penalizing workers who opt to leave by kicking them out of a plan that they have been paying into and it props up a fund that will, even more so than other plans, see a huge surge of retirees over the next ten years, with little to no growth in the membership. They will try a hard sell, promise us the world, but remember this plan is not like the DB plan we had at AA, if the money isn't there they cut your benefits. If we could get the 17% the pilots get and match that, along with a few hundred grand that we hopefully put away over our careers, we should be able to save and earn enough to make up what we lost when they froze the pension. What can we expect to see after just 10 years or less in the IAMNPF? In the early years you hardly earn anything. Maybe a couple of hundred a month? A while ago I think I figured I'd need around $750K earning around 5% to make up for where our frozen plan left off. I probably wont get there, but I know the 10 years I would have to put in to get the IAMNPF would not even come close and I'd have no principle I could tap into if I had to. Its time for the Association to lay out exactly what they are asking for in our names. Enough is enough. The company has the details of exactly what the Association is asking for, there is a reason why the Association wont tell us. They ask us to trust them when its obvious they do not trust us. DONT WE PAY THEM?

 

[The Watcher]

No one is going to force you into the IAMNPF.

Stop with the #fakenews.

 

[Bob Owens]

Yep, just like we were not going to be forced into the Association.

 

[The Watcher]

Mark my words.

 

[MetalMover]

Mark my words.

I will admit it is obvious the company wants to stick with the 401k...rather than the IAM pension as well as LAA medical.
The problem is the LUS side will most likely stall negotiations further as they will not want to budge on these issues.