2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

Freedom is playing you guys like a violin...
 
He is a Red Herring poster intent on disrupting, and diverting attention from the actual issues. His comments are to infuriate you by design...
 
PUT HIM ON IGNORE! 

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom is a good guy who has an opinion that differs from most of you on here. That is fine because he always shows up when needed and will do the right thing in the end.

P. Rez

 

[700UW]

Like promoting a CBA that laid off his coworkers and campaigned for it?
 
After he was told what would happen.

 

[roabilly]

Freedom is a good guy who has an opinion that differs from most of you on here. That is fine because he always shows up when needed and will do the right thing in the end.

P. Rez

It really doesn't matter who he is...
 
He is wasting everyone's time, and diverting the thread to tit for tat redundancy!

 

[wings396]

It has been my opinion all along that Parker and US never intended to deal with the IAM. This should have became crystal clear to everyone the day that he leapfrogged our groups by going right to the TWU. At that point, I said that we would never see a new CBA with the IAM representing us.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wings:  Parker dealing with the AA Unions again had nothing to do with any seperate contract negotiations that were ongoing at USAir. Parker was always a proponent of industry consolidation and AA represented the final piece of that puzzle. He aproached and came to a deal with us because he understood that with our assistance it would be an easier sell to the creditors to go along with it. We also had no faith that the people running AA were capable and their "standalone" plan would be viable or succeed against the prospect of a merger with your company. Most reputable airline analysts were saying the same thing. It was an end run to get a better deal as well then the one we knew we would get stuck with in Bankruptcy under Horton.

I don't see how either issue can be tied to the other especially if the merger hadn't occurred. They were and are seperate and distinct.



 

 

[700UW]

US employees are upset and pissed, they have been in negotiations for almost three years, the first section 6 negotiations since 1999.
 
He wont settle with PMUS but goes behind their backs and negotiates and agrees to MOUs with employees that dont work for US, how would you feel?
 
Its a slap in the face.

 

[AANOTOK]

When does the membership vote on the TWU/IAM duo (Association), WeAAsles?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Now I see why the Company went to the TWU behind our backs on the AA side with their contract proposal... it was to actually lower the bar for section 6 talks on the IAM US side!
 
That is why they are insistent on progressing to joint talks instead of settling the 6 talks we are in now. The Company knows they can drag joint talks out for at least a couple of years. Essentially, this would keep BOTH groups in BK agreements at least until 2016!
 
My advice to everyone is to insist on the completion of section six negotiations before entertaining any overtures to enter joint talks, and/or consummating SCS!
 
LOCK -N- LOAD!!

+100000

 

[Tim Nelson]

When does the membership vote on the TWU/IAM duo (Association), WeAAsles?

At least one year away.  The NMB has to determine a single carrier first.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Let's cut to the chase here. This Company has said, "eff u", we are not going to give anything more than what American has right now. The problem is if you break it down they are giving topped out people what would be close to their inflation raises that they haven't received since 2012 and less for employees not topped out. Through breaking down both surveys your NC has determined several key issues that need to be addressed in which the Company has refused to address. They want us to trust them that all of our concerns will be addressed in JCBA. IMO, this Company needs to address the concerns each of you brought up in the surveys by giving us a fair contract first and then we will be happy to go into JCBA with our Brothers and Sisters at AA. 
 
If everybody sticks together the end result will be a better offer then what the Company is offering now. Section 6 negotiations, which we are currently in, is better than JCBA talks because you can get self help while in section 6. The Company needs to realize that there is no goodwill on our part because there isn't any trust. A fair contract offer will go far in building any trust for JCBA.
 
P. Rez   

THANK YOU!    Everyone needs to read this post.  Thank you Prez!  

 

[AANOTOK]

Thanks!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Lets put the shoe on the other foot Rez!
 
  Offer us more than AA and we will see about giving some back in Joint Talks....If they don't trust that? Then how can we trust them here in section 6?

Yeah, exactly.  Management simply can't be trusted at all.  A joint contract talk will take years with those nuts. They are completely full blown and have no desire to treat our members with the slightest dignity and respect. Fact is I have never seen or heard a management team that has as much disrespect as the one that pisses all over our US AIRWAYS members.

 

[WeAAsles]

AANOTOK: This is also on the Q and A of our TWU website so we are well aware of the issue that comes first.

Q: Will the forming of the Association impact the current IAM-US Airways negotiations?
A: No. The IAM will continue bargaining with US Airways for its current members at the stand-alone carrier until the National Mediation Board determines US Airways and American Airlines are operating as a single carrier. The IAM’s position is that US Airways must fulfill its bargaining responsibilities with the IAM before joint negotiations begin.

 

[Tim Nelson]

AANOTOK: This is also on the Q and A of our TWU website so we are well aware of the issue that comes first.

Q: Will the forming of the Association impact the current IAM-US Airways negotiations?
A: No. The IAM will continue bargaining with US Airways for its current members at the stand-alone carrier until the National Mediation Board determines US Airways and American Airlines are operating as a single carrier. The IAM’s position is that US Airways must fulfill its bargaining responsibilities with the IAM before joint negotiations begin.

Notice:  The TWU and you accepted the 4.3% wage increase in return for filing single carrier within 6 months.  Legally, the TWU has to file this. If not then the company will file federally and attempt to levy all lost revenue and synergies against the TWU.
 
Hold on.... I don't think you guys voted on this though.