2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

That's got "DFR" written all over it...

I was grievance chair in my city, and while 143 had it's share of grievances that took awhile, I honestly can't remember any coming anywhere near the lengths you & Robbed have mentioned. That's simply inexcusable.

 

[737823]

That's got "DFR" written all over it...
I was grievance chair in my city, and while 143 had it's share of grievances that took awhile, I honestly can't remember any coming anywhere near the lengths you & Robbed have mentioned. That's simply inexcusable.

And you wonder why the majority of workers in the United States do not seek representation.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Mostly I wonder why someone that allegdly works for JP Morgan gives a f**k about the day to day lives of airline workers...

 

[robbedagain]

orgac  just curious  how long did it take for your grievance to be heard from the time it was filed to the local  then onto the next level  which is mediation i believe?  
 
for my grievance  i understand theres at least 8 other folks involved.
 
kev i hear ya bro   it sounds like you had better representation if i am reading it correctly bro

 

[mike33]

As Grievance Chair in my station I can attest we have a case that has been awaiting arbitration for over three years. Grievant is owed substantial monetary remedial action. To date no arbitration hearing is scheduled. From what I have been told... only one AGC schedules and represents grievances for arbitration and he (FO) is a very busy man. So busy; he doesn't return phone calls to the grievant or the Committee Chairperson. This April will be four years and counting. With the union dues paid each month by our members; surely we can come up with better representation. How do you justify to a member, who has paid IAM union dues since 1999, this is the level of representation he or she can expect from their union? The DL nomination endorsement process and eventual elections allows the membership to seperate the chaff from the seed. Those who have put forth their best effort in representing the membership (the seed) should be elected: while those who have squandered their opportunity to represent the membership by being elected should be rejected.   

Time to get a personal lawyer involved. Kind of like a DFR issue to me. 

 

[robbedagain]

mike  while i do understand what youre saying there  we as iam dues payers have to wonder why does it take soo long
 
and most of us could not afford lawyers any how given how they charge     i believe that this whole process has to change

 

[737823]

P. Rez,
What will the NC response be to a proposal like at AS that allows outsourcing at hubs or UA with only scope for seven stations? Sito Pantoja said those were both great agreements he is proud of, will the IAM agree to those terms at US? The TWU agreements at AA and WN are superior to IAM agreements although that isn't saying much.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again the IAM won the AS grievance on the ramp, it went to arbitration.
 
And what you poised are what ifs and hypothetical and the IAM is not backing down on scope.
 
The IAM at US does more fleet work at stations than AA and WN is asking for a ton of farmouts on the ramp, go look at their negotiation updates from the TWU.

 

[700UW]

Mostly I wonder why someone that allegdly works for JP Morgan gives a f**k about the day to day lives of airline workers...

And people wonder why I always correct his misinformation.  Something is rotten in Denmark.
 
Maybe its time we take a concerted effort to just put him on ignore, there is something very fishy about this.

 

[ograc]

robbed,
I don't have the file with me right now but I can check the dates later and report back. I believe though the Step 3 decision was rendered close to three years ago. There was never any formal mediation hearing to my knowledge. I would think I would be aware if there was since I'm the Grievance Chairperson. Then again... the AGC scheduling the Arbitration has only spoken directly to me on one occasion since the Step 3 decision. I do know at one point the company offered a settlement that was far short of what the grievant is owed. Barely represented 25% of the remedial action sought. The AGC scheduling the Arbitration is so confident in the case he said from the beginning we were not going to Mediation but instead would be going right to Arbitration. Of course that was three years ago. This AGC's representation performance is Inexcusable and shameful. What is worse is this AGC will most likely be representing the case in arbitration. A real concern of mine and the grievant. 

 

[700UW]

Have you contacted the district or the International, as that is unacceptable?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Once again the IAM won the AS grievance on the ramp, it went to arbitration.
 
And what you poised are what ifs and hypothetical and the IAM is not backing down on scope.
 
The IAM at US does more fleet work at stations than AA and WN is asking for a ton of farmouts on the ramp, go look at their negotiation updates from the TWU.

Josh was referring to the scope.  Yes, the IAM won the grievance but can you kindly stop talking out of both sides and tell people the truth that the end result is still that Menzies is doing the SEA ramp!  The AS scope BLOWS 700 but you knew that.  The United scope blows.  Josh has a valid point, since your boy Sito has come out praising AS contract and UA contract as 'monumental', it is only a matter of time before our NC gets showered with an INTL meteor shower.  As far as WN, you are a complete idiot indeed. Claiming that WN management is asking for farmouts is much different than the TWU agreeing to them.    TWU 1   IAM [700] 0
Talk is cheap 700 so I suggest you go back and 'redouble' your efforts to read up on the 'current' contracts and not what 'management wants'.  Sheesh.

 

[700UW]

http://twu555.org/Negotiations/tabid/407/Default.aspx
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/southwest-airlines-ground-employees-picket-at-dallas-love-field.html/
 

Staffing Flexibility/ Outsourcing
You stated it was simply not true that the Company was looking to outsource our jobs. Are you aware that your Negotiating Committee proposed outsourcing up to 20% of the workforce, similar to the way AirTran operates in ATL? The Company’s last proposal on seasonal contract workers was issued on January 24, 2013. The proposal was modified on February 25, 2013 and April 30, 2013 with a focus on temporary contract workers. The Company’s proposals to use temporary contract workers are still on the table and we’ll be glad to provide you with copy of any them. Let us be very clear, we believe it is in the best interest of our Members and our Customers to have Southwest Employees serving our Customers, regardless of how other airlines operate.  Due to seasonal flight increases in some Stations, we presented a proposal to address the Company’s concerns regarding staffing flexibility. The Company then proposed increasing part-time to 40% system-wide, a 300% increase, despite the fact that the Company is not fully utilizing the part-time provisions in our current contract. You have all worked in Ground Operations, so you are quite aware how a 40% part-time workforce would negatively impact current full-time Employees. It is misleading and disingenuous to say that a large increase in part-time is necessary because of great new staffing tools utilized by our competitors. It is more accurate to say that it is a way to cut benefits costs because the Employees’ families are not covered. Rather than attempting to duplicate the staffing practices at less successful airlines, let’s focus on serving our Customers in the manner they deserve while securing a solid future for the Employees and their families.
 

 
Idiot?
 
I am not the one who cant get elected, now was I?
 
You contributed to the blood bath of 92 and you ran away from CLT cause you couldnt take the heat.
 
Dont get me started.
 
Glad to see you have to use name calling instead of debating the facts, and we all know how much the TWU loves you.
 
I know your M.O. and know what you have done, and you are all about Tim and not about the membership.
 
The only reason you butted in on UA is to try and get their votes.

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://twu555.org/Negotiations/tabid/407/Default.aspx
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/southwest-airlines-ground-employees-picket-at-dallas-love-field.html/
 
 
Idiot?
 
I am not the one who cant get elected, now was I?
 
You contributed to the blood bath of 92 and you ran away from CLT cause you couldnt take the heat.
 
Dont get me started.
 
Glad to see you have to use name calling instead of debating the facts, and we all know how much the TWU loves you.
 
I know your M.O. and know what you have done, and you are all about Tim and not about the membership.
 
The only reason you butted in on UA is to try and get their votes.

None of those links showed IAM members getting their jobs back 700.  You claimed the IAM won all of the SEA jobs back.  The reality is that AS contracted out all those IAM jobs and is still using Menzies. 

 

[700UW]

I never claimed they got their jobs back, show me where I posted that.
 
I said the IAM won the arbitration, thats all.

 

August 8, 2008 - Air Transport District 143 won a major victory by securing an arbitrator’s decision stating that Alaska Airlines violated the IAM collective bargaining agreement when it improperly furloughed 500 Seattle ramp workers in May 2005.
 
 “This ruling is a huge victory for the IAM and all the hard working airline employees we represent,” said District 143 president Stephen Gordon. “The decision comes more than three years after Alaska Airlines subcontracted its entire Seattle ground handling operation to Menzies Aviation.  IAM-represented ramp employees who showed up to work on May 13, 2005 had their security badges deactivated by Alaska and were callously told they no longer had jobs.”
 
 Since outsourcing the work to Menzies, Alaska Airlines has endured negative press reports involving lost and mishandled bags, flight delays, aircraft damage and increased customer complaints.
 IAM District 143 represents 3,560 Alaska Airlines employees
 

 
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2008098978_alaska08.html

 

The arbitrator directed the airline Thursday to begin talks with the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) union to reach a remedy. If they can't agree, the case will go back to the arbitrator.
 
Today's ruling solidifies the fact that there are job protections."
Alaska's contract with the union allowed the airline to outsource jobs to a vendor only if doing so reduced costs. The arbitrator ruled that despite the lower wages paid by Menzies, the overall charges were not less than the work done in-house.
 
Many of the workers who lost their jobs in 2005 accepted an Alaska Air severance package, which Gordon acknowledged was "above and beyond the contracted requirements." They have since scattered to jobs elsewhere.