2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

I the minds of the Nelson followers... the UA puzzle piece has to be hammered into the US picture-- thus, they are basically driving a square peg into a round hole! This is intitical argument that the entire IAM Leadership is inept... and they... and ONLY they... can correct it.
 
If US were UA-- wouldn't we already voting on sub-par agreement instead of making preparations to strike?

actually, no. The path is basically the same one. Remember, at united, the nc talked the talk and stuck in section 6 negotiation for a full year AFTER a single carrier application was filed. That said, we still must prepare and hope for a fair agreement.
And omo we must refuse to sign any helping hand agreement unless we get a joint contract after the first ta.
im skeptical roabilly because ive seen what has happened but we still gotta get out a strong strike vote and hope the solidarity forces a equitable agreement that can be ratified and prepare us for joint talks.

 

[robbedagain]

the question is though  would the cwa and others actually honor if the iam does go on strike?    I would hope so

 

[Tim Nelson]

If AH is going to hold firm and not even pay sAA wages as the difference at the tablr may be $1 then thats about a ten million cost per year. How much does he lose holding on to that $1 if the mrtger stalls and no seamlessness. Never mind a strike threat or strike. And how many months does he allow that $1 bury this airline behind delta or united? Im not sure AH has leverage that can stop our members from getting equal pay. Until then, nobody needs to be panicing and signing anything.
if our nc was asking for something ridiculous then leverage to AH but asking for the same wage is only fair. Btw the sAA wage is modest itself.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
 
So by your logic, the ticket you are running on, you say it does not put US members at a disadvantage by not having 5 US people. Correct me if I am wrong here, but on the E-Board, aren't all votes equal? So you are basically asking US to support an even larger number of UA/CO people when we are already out numbered? And can you please tell me what the candidate out of PHL has done? Has he even wrote a grievance? Held any hearing at any level? We would like to know.

Also can you give us the qualifications of the PHX candidate? Are you avoiding these questions on purpose? Don't you think, we as the members, have a right to know why you are supporting these people, and what their qualifications are?

 

[roabilly]

Tim,
 
Would you please be so kind as to give us a full run-down on ALL of the candidates on your ticket, and their qualifications? I think we have the right to know who they are, where they are, and what experience they have regarding unionization in this industry.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Would you please be so kind as to give us a full run-down on ALL of the candidates on your ticket, and their qualifications? I think we have the right to know who they are, where they are, and what experience they have regarding unionization in this industry.

u can visit our website at unifiedforchange.org

It is also very important to know that all of our candidates except one secured home nomination with the support of those who know them best.

Otoh, charlie btowns delaney ballot only has one united person who got his home nomination. That speaks volumes as incumbants who cant even get their home nomination.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Also can you give us the qualifications of the PHX candidate? Are you avoiding these questions on purpose? Don't you think, we as the members, have a right to know why you are supporting these people, and what their qualifications are?

Go to our webpage and there is plenty of info on each csndidate. If thats not enuf then email them.

 

[pjirish317]

Go to our webpage and there is plenty of info on each csndidate. If thats not enuf then email them.

There is ZERO info on whether or not they can effectively write a grievance, let alone hold any hearings at any level. I am not denying the passion, but why should I have to rely on an AGC that has NEVER written a grievance? Because you say so? I don't think so. Tim, if you truly think these people are the best for the job, please, enlighten us as to why, and let us all know their qualifications for the job, not just their passion for it. Also, I asked you before, regardless of being a "full time" spot or a "part time" spot within the district, don't they all have an equal vote on the eboard? And you are asking us to "trust" you have our best interests at heart by giving up 2 more eboard votes to UA/CO? And like we have addressed before, NOMINATIONS mean nothing when it comes time to vote. You are living proof of that example. And when you decide to not be "intellectually dishonest" with the members and actually discuss the other US people's qualifications, AV out of PHX and CC out of PHL, I'm sure you will have an attentive audience. 

 

[roabilly]

There is ZERO info on whether or not they can effectively write a grievance, let alone hold any hearings at any level. I am not denying the passion, but why should I have to rely on an AGC that has NEVER written a grievance? Because you say so? I don't think so. Tim, if you truly think these people are the best for the job, please, enlighten us as to why, and let us all know their qualifications for the job, not just their passion for it. Also, I asked you before, regardless of being a "full time" spot or a "part time" spot within the district, don't they all have an equal vote on the eboard? And you are asking us to "trust" you have our best interests at heart by giving up 2 more eboard votes to UA/CO? And like we have addressed before, NOMINATIONS mean nothing when it comes time to vote. You are living proof of that example. And when you decide to not be "intellectually dishonest" with the members and actually discuss the other US people's qualifications, AV out of PHX and CC out of PHL, I'm sure you will have an attentive audience. 

PJ...
 
I went to the site, and read the bios for both of those candidates. There is no mention of experience-- just a passion for the position!

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is ZERO info on whether or not they can effectively write a grievance, let alone hold any hearings at any level. I am not denying the passion, but why should I have to rely on an AGC that has NEVER written a grievance? Because you say so? I don't think so. Tim, if you truly think these people are the best for the job, please, enlighten us as to why, and let us all know their qualifications for the job, not just their passion for it. Also, I asked you before, regardless of being a "full time" spot or a "part time" spot within the district, don't they all have an equal vote on the eboard? And you are asking us to "trust" you have our best interests at heart by giving up 2 more eboard votes to UA/CO? And like we have addressed before, NOMINATIONS mean nothing when it comes time to vote. You are living proof of that example. And when you decide to not be "intellectually dishonest" with the members and actually discuss the other US people's qualifications, AV out of PHX and CC out of PHL, I'm sure you will have an attentive audience.

I trust that these are the best candidates available on the ballot. Trust integrity and alot of the intangibles go a long way with me, especially when i compare to the total lack of integrity or ignorance that we can say with certainty has existed with those who cant stand up to delaney.

That said, this opposition ticket is the most experienced opposition ticket ever created. There is a reason why we have collected every hub endorsement except one that i know of.

 

[Rook]

Tim,
Since this forum has gone political instead the real reason it was formed please answer me a few questions.
I am a active dues paying member of the IAM and please inform me on how your slate is going to get me, and my brothers and sisters at USAirways a CONTRACT faster than the peeps now?
Also why would I vote for peeps that have no knowledge of what's going on? IMO in would be like starting back to square one with these new peeps

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is ZERO info on whether or not they can effectively write a grievance, let alone hold any hearings at any level. I am not denying the passion, but why should I have to rely on an AGC that has NEVER written a grievance? Because you say so? I don't think so. Tim, if you truly think these people are the best for the job, please, enlighten us as to why, and let us all know their qualifications for the job, not just their passion for it. Also, I asked you before, regardless of being a "full time" spot or a "part time" spot within the district, don't they all have an equal vote on the eboard? And you are asking us to "trust" you have our best interests at heart by giving up 2 more eboard votes to UA/CO? And like we have addressed before, NOMINATIONS mean nothing when it comes time to vote. You are living proof of that example. And when you decide to not be "intellectually dishonest" with the members and actually discuss the other US people's qualifications, AV out of PHX and CC out of PHL, I'm sure you will have an attentive audience.

i think you are incredibly wrong. Trust and integrity mean alot to the members. Part of that is getting endorsed by your own local. You know this but you would rather avoid the issue.

It was very important to iah to show up and vote against their local chairman who lied to them and vote for two usairways candidates instead. Trust is very important to the membership

In fact, i think you and others do a great disservice to the membership when you support known candidates that we can say with certainty are liars. Cb may be able to get some uninformed clt guy to trust him to vote for all the liars that cb associated himself with, but i can assure you that cb's team havent been able to pull the wool over the eyes of those at the home locals. Yes pj, trust means alot and i think it is fundamentally wrong for cb to do the one thing he said he wasnt going to do.
If nominations arent important then i guess cb isnt going to bother in clt tomorrow, right? Wrong.

Pj i bet you still think these guys will recommend a ta with amr wages at dos...dont you?

I know these guys pj and they dont have the stones to stand up and hold firm. Presently they are putting on a good show just like united but at the end of the day they will show everyond what has already been made known to united members.

Whatever the case we have to support eachother with a strong strike vote. Our membership cant afford another iam embarassment.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
Since this forum has gone political instead the real reason it was formed please answer me a few questions.
I am a active dues paying member of the IAM and please inform me on how your slate is going to get me, and my brothers and sisters at USAirways a CONTRACT faster than the peeps now?
Also why would I vote for peeps that have no knowledge of what's going on? IMO in would be like starting back to square one with these new peeps

Its not a matter of getting a quicker contract. The present position of our nc is the path it needs to be on. How do they say " all good things for those who wait"?
These current contract talks will continue with the same nc regardless of politics or who wins in june.

However, what we must prepare for is joint talks after a section 6 ratification.
Imo the current officers honestly are the ones who dont know what is going on. Either that or they are simply incredibly ignorant regarding negotiations.

They proved this with hal and ual so im very uncomfortable even to suggest that they have the slightest knowledge. Essentually they have done a fantastic job screwing up our craft at a time of record profits. Actually, i think it is insane to vote for any of them due to that.

What it really comes down to is if someone is comfortable with the sorta representation they are getting now, then they should vote for cb's slate. Otoh, i believe our union is at the crossroads and its difficult to see where management ends and union begins. I think our membership deserves better than that. I think we can change that and make it happen and i say we make the best of it.

 

[mike33]

Tim,
Since this forum has gone political instead the real reason it was formed please answer me a few questions.
I am a active dues paying member of the IAM and please inform me on how your slate is going to get me, and my brothers and sisters at USAirways a CONTRACT faster than the peeps now?
Also why would I vote for peeps that have no knowledge of what's going on? IMO in would be like starting back to square one with these new peeps

This is what's called the " Company Edge " .  Contract talks in an Elections year. It is ,what it is ,but so so very distracting....

 

[Rook]

Ok Tim that's a fair answer but, if your slate gets voted in and you bring a crappy TA back to the membership to vote on (as in the case with HAL & UAL)
If it does get voted in will your slate at that time resign from your positions?