2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[pjirish317]

those two are not the most experienced on the ticket. Both command a great deal of respect from their memberships. If you are uncomfortable with either of them then you can vote for two united guys. I happen to know yhat calabrese and valdez have what it takes. Sometimes a freshman is better than an experienced upper classman that puts the pill on the ground and doesnt have the stones to make a difference.

OK so now you backtrack and say that the ENTIRE ticket is not "the most experienced", your words there. Why would I vote for 2 UA?co people, they do not enforce our CBA. The unitedforchange ticket already puts US members at a disadvantage by being 2 US people down on the E-Board, and before you spout off about P/T spots vs. F/T sopts, all have an equal vote on E-board stuff, and now you want us to only vote for you and 2 UA/CO people, and put us even futher down in numbers? Truer colors have never been so bright.

 

[roabilly]

Most Experienced? How so. CC and AV heve NEVER written a grievance, nor held any hearings at any step. How is that "the most experienced"

Well... he didn't say most experienced at WHAT -- Maybe he meant the most experienced at NOT writing grievances!
 
This is how he (ahem) bends the truth...

 

[cltrat]

i think the usairways folks need to realize which candidates actually were endorsed by their ownlocal. Joe bartz may bi there tomorrow. You should ask him why he finished second to last and not one storekeeper other than him supported him so why should any usairways person support him.I mean i know mf and cb agreed to support that liar but the question is a reasonable one.

if I see him I will, I wouldn't vote fr Bartz to be dogcatcher. The fact that he was sucking hind teat at his home station speaks volumes.
 
Here's a question just say for instance that all US candidates on your ticket are elected with the remaining officers who are not up for election what would the US to UA ratio then.
I tend to agree with you on honesty and integrity in a candidate. Klemm and Bartz are two proven to be lacking in that area.

 

[Tim Nelson]

OK so now you backtrack and say that the ENTIRE ticket is not "the most experienced", your words there. Why would I vote for 2 UA?co people, they do not enforce our CBA. The unitedforchange ticket already puts US members at a disadvantage by being 2 US people down on the E-Board, and before you spout off about P/T spots vs. F/T sopts, all have an equal vote on E-board stuff, and now you want us to only vote for you and 2 UA/CO people, and put us even futher down in numbers? Truer colors have never been so bright.

i didnt understand one thing you said. Other than you will vote for known liars who also destroyed hal and ual. Carry on

 

[Tim Nelson]

if I see him I will, I wouldn't vote fr Bartz to be dogcatcher. The fact that he was sucking hind teat at his home station speaks volumes.
 
Here's a question just say for instance that all US candidates on your ticket are elected with the remaining officers who are not up for election what would the US to UA ratio then.
I tend to agree with you on honesty and integrity in a candidate. Klemm and Bartz are two proven to be lacking in that area.

we would have just as many full time officers as currently exist. Not sure of the ratio. Actually the ratio of full time reps have been tilted against usairways since the district has shifted to business agents. All business agents (special reps) are united.

 

[Rook]

You are kidding right?....Really?

 

[Tim Nelson]

if I see him I will, I wouldn't vote fr Bartz to be dogcatcher. The fact that he was sucking hind teat at his home station speaks volumes.
 
Here's a question just say for instance that all US candidates on your ticket are elected with the remaining officers who are not up for election what would the US to UA ratio then.
I tend to agree with you on honesty and integrity in a candidate. Klemm and Bartz are two proven to be lacking in that area.

the official "ratio" of work per agc is as follows:
1 usairways agc per 1,050 members.
1 united agc per 1,600 members.

So pj and others spreading the myth of poor ole usairways isnt true as the avg usairways agc has 20% less to serve. After the association kicks in there will be less stations.

The question i have is exactly what have the usairways agcs been doing that they cant even put out constitutional grievance reports or resolve yhe big grievance wasteland?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Cricket

Do i need to quote yhe bylaws? How come mf and cb havent put out the quarterly grievance reports so everyone can see all the grievances all stalled? Whats the fuss? Too many secrets with these guys.

 

[charlie Brown]

Tim
I'm perfectly fine with someone running against me. I've always said elections are a good thing. The problem is, if you don't like me being in there and you want me replaced, then you should have a Us guy running against me. Not a UA guy. And like PJ said. It's not whether your a PT position or FT position like you keep spouting to people like rat. Each member of the board has equal vote, whether your PT or FT. But you know this, you just don't want to admit it. You are giving up 2 US board spots that US will never get back. Your screwing the US guys before you even take office, and your just asking them to pass the Vaseline. And it amazes me that some of them will do it. There's not One US person that should be voting for you, they just don't know yet how your screwing them. But they'll know by June. I promise. At least in clt anyway.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
I'm perfectly fine with someone running against me. I've always said elections are a good thing. The problem is, if you don't like me being in there and you want me replaced, then you should have a Us guy running against me. Not a UA guy. And like PJ said. It's not whether your a PT position or FT position like you keep spouting to people like rat. Each member of the board has equal vote, whether your PT or FT. But you know this, you just don't want to admit it. You are giving up 2 US board spots that US will never get back. Your screwing the US guys before you even take office, and your just asking them to pass the Vaseline. And it amazes me that some of them will do it. There's not One US person that should be voting for you, they just don't know yet how your screwing them. But they'll know by June. I promise. At least in clt anyway.

Lol.
the only vaseline going around was used when you dopes endorsed a dreadful united contract. Next time you are in ord, ill escort you into a united breakroom and you can tell them how you endorsed the ua contract. Trust me, you will be better off with me bringing you around than your buddy joe bartz.

i just hope you disclose to the membership how the guys on your ticket cant get their home nominations but you want clt to nominate them. Also are you going to support the two usairways agcs two year tetm or the united guys who got their arses handed to them because they lied?


At any rate, still waiting for that sAA wage. Lol
and i think you guys really should follow the bylaws and give out the quarterly grievance repirts so the membership can find out exactly what the heck you guys been doing over the past 4 years. Cripes!

 

[charlie Brown]

Lol.
i just hope you disclose to the membership how the guys on your ticket cant get their home nominations but you want clt to nominate them. Also are you going to support the two usairways agcs two year tetm or the united guys who got their arses handed to them because they lied?
At any rate, still waiting for that sAA wage. Lol
and i think you guys really should follow the bylaws and give out the quarterly grievance repirts so the membership can find out exactly what the heck you guys been doing over the past 4 years. Cripes!

I haven't been in the past 4 years do you even know what your talking about? When you coming to clt anyway, I can't wait and walk around with you and listen to you spin it on how your screwing them. I give you credit. Putting a UA/Co guy from iah on your ticket since IAH is a huge hub for UA will get you a lot of votes. And I know that's what it's all about to you. You'll stab even your own US members to get that spot. You know we will never get those board spots back for the US members once we lose them because we are so outnumbered. But you don't care! Because if your successful you'll have your spot, and it won't matter that we never get the spots back. And it's quite funny how you won't address these issues, you divert from answering. I got news for you. The US fleet guys aren't going to be as easy to deceive as you think they will be. I know you think you can spin your spin and they won't care. But before they go and vote in June, they are going to want answers on why you choose to make the US side weaker right from the start. I guess you think you'll be good enough to make up the difference of the other two spots. But your not that good Tim.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I haven't been in the past 4 years do you even know what your talking about? When you coming to clt anyway, I can't wait and walk around with you and listen to you spin it on how your screwing them. I give you credit. Putting a UA/Co guy from iah on your ticket since IAH is a huge hub for UA will get you a lot of votes. And I know that's what it's all about to you. You'll stab even your own US members to get that spot. You know we will never get those board spots back for the US members once we lose them because we are so outnumbered. But you don't care! Because if your successful you'll have your spot, and it won't matter that we never get the spots back. And it's quite funny how you won't address these issues, you divert from answering. I got news for you. The US fleet guys aren't going to be as easy to deceive as you think they will be. I know you think you can spin your spin and they won't care. But before they go and vote in June, they are going to want answers on why you choose to make the US side weaker right from the start. I guess you think you'll be good enough to make up the difference of the other two spots. But your not that good Tim.

that's silly.  The only one who stabbed anyone was you endorsing a anti union agreement that did a fine job at blowing up our craft in this industry.  You blame everything else on me so I dunno maybe you will blame your own actions on me as well. 
 I didn't stab anyone by agreeing to run on a ticket that asked me to be a candidate with them. It was an honor for me.  I hope nobody is deceived.  You should come clean and tell the US AIRWAYS CLT guys why you want them to nominate two guys from United, who their own people think are terrible, over two US AIRWAYS guys. Actually, Joe Bartz should be there tomorrow.  I hope when you hand a slate card to the CLT US AIRWAYS guys that you notify them that Joe finished second to last in his own station and didn't have one storekeeper vote for him, yet you want US AIRWAYS guys to vote for him?   C'mon maaaaannnnnnn.
 
Go get those quarterly grievance reports, our members deserve them and the bylaws need to be followed. 

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,
 
Our ticket has US employees running for the following positions:
 
Vice President-At Large- 4 year term
Trustee-                           4 year term
AGC-                               4 year term
AGC-                               4 year term
AGC-                               4 year term
 
Here is what your ticket is running for US:
 
AGC-    4 year term
AGC-    2 year term
AGC-    2 year term
 
What gives? We have 5 E-Board spots for 4 years each and you have 3 E-Board spots, but 2 of them are for only 2 years. You sold your soul didn't you and in the end US employees are getting less representation? I guess you didn't have the stones to stand up and fight for 5 E-Board spots for 4 years each now did you?
 
P. Rez      

 

[charlie Brown]

that's silly.  The only one who stabbed anyone was you endorsing a anti union agreement that did a fine job at blowing up our craft in this industry.  You blame everything else on me so I dunno maybe you will blame your own actions on me as well. 
 I didn't stab anyone by agreeing to run on a ticket that asked me to be a candidate with them. It was an honor for me.  I hope nobody is deceived.  You should come clean and tell the US AIRWAYS CLT guys why you want them to nominate two guys from United, who their own people think are terrible, over two US AIRWAYS guys. Actually, Joe Bartz should be there tomorrow.  I hope when you hand a slate card to the CLT US AIRWAYS guys that you notify them that Joe finished second to last in his own station and didn't have one storekeeper vote for him, yet you want US AIRWAYS guys to vote for him?   C'mon maaaaannnnnnn.
 
Go get those quarterly grievance reports, our members deserve them and the bylaws need to be followed.

Tim
You get really excited about nominations!! And I guess that's ok, if that what floats your boat. I tend to get more excited about elections, not nominations. You also got really excited about winning the US hub NOMINATIONS!! 2 years ago too. But I don't recall you being really excited on how those hubs did for you at ELECTION time in June. I've never had anyone ever ask me where someone finished at in nominations in their city. Most people don't find nominations nearly as exciting as you do. Both tickets are on the ballot already for June. Anyone that knows anything, knows this, and doesn't really care now, since both tickets are on. To be perfectly honest. I have no idea where guys have finsished in their cities because I know they are already on the ticket for June, so I don't really care. But if someone asked me where a particular person finished when I hand them a card, I'll give you a call so you can tell me, since it's such a big deal to you.

 

[charlie Brown]

And by the way!! Yes you are stabbing our US members in the back. No other way to say it. Your running on a ticket that thinks it's ok to take away 2 board slots from the US members. If your not going to stand up now and say that's wrong and that it should be US guys running against Us guys, then how and why would you ever stand up for us once you start making the big money. Your supporting a team that is taking away slots from US fleet members, And that's ok to you!! And you want to ask US members to support you doing that. That's crazy!!!!!!