2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[P. REZ]

Its not a matter of getting a quicker contract. The present position of our nc is the path it needs to be on. How do they say " all good things for those who wait"?
These current contract talks will continue with the same nc regardless of politics or who wins in june.

However, what we must prepare for is joint talks after a section 6 ratification.
Imo the current officers honestly are the ones who dont know what is going on. Either that or they are simply incredibly ignorant regarding negotiations.

They proved this with hal and ual so im very uncomfortable even to suggest that they have the slightest knowledge. Essentually they have done a fantastic job screwing up our craft at a time of record profits. Actually, i think it is insane to vote for any of them due to that.

What it really comes down to is if someone is comfortable with the sorta representation they are getting now, then they should vote for cb's slate. Otoh, i believe our union is at the crossroads and its difficult to see where management ends and union begins. I think our membership deserves better than that. I think we can change that and make it happen and i say we make the best of it.

Tim,
 
I find it interesting that you keep posting that you can't tell where management ends and the Union begins. I stated a couple of weeks ago that I believed that if you asked all past and present GC members who have been present in meetings with me and management that it would be 100% support of me. Why you ask? Because they see my drive and passion for fighting the good fight. I'm no management mouthpiece, I fight for what is right and I am known for beating issues to death until I'm heard.  
 
If you keep saying the same BS over and over again I guess you hope that people believe you? 
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok Tim that's a fair answer but, if your slate gets voted in and you bring a crappy TA back to the membership to vote on (as in the case with HAL & UAL)
If it does get voted in will your slate at that time resign from your positions?

Im doing this to bring our craft back up and i hope to have a joint contract within the 4 years of any potential service to you. Wouldnt mind a buyout and consider it myself if the membership allows me to be a part of joint talks. In the meantime ill enforce the current contract and refuse to cut deals with management to waive time limits unless a member consents. We can talk about new contracts but we have to do a better job of enforcing our current grievance procedures first.

Im not bringing a crappy contract back.

 

[cltrat]

Tim are you going to be in CLT tomorrow?
 
of note only your slate even has anything up in my breakroom

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I find it interesting that you keep posting that you can't tell where management ends and the Union begins. I stated a couple of weeks ago that I believed that if you asked all past and present GC members who have been present in meetings with me and management that it would be 100% support of me. Why you ask? Because they see my drive and passion for fighting the good fight. I'm no management mouthpiece, I fight for what is right and I am known for beating issues to death until I'm heard.  
 
If you keep saying the same BS over and over again I guess you hope that people believe you? 
 
P. Rez

i cant deny the reality i see. I fully understand that you cant see it but if i took you to a united breakroom and you explain to them why you endorsed their contract then you may begin to understand what i mean.

I see a giant delaney kumbuya with this board and i believe it is in sore need of diversity. While we are waiting for the nmb, why not press the intl for strike benefit dispensation and be persuasive?
Also, why hasnt the district provided quarterly grievance reports to all the local chairpersons as the bylaws expect?

You want to change the reality where folks can see a distict benefit of their dues then hold on till you can secure the modest sAA wages without trading something off. Our members deserve more than cost neutral.
hey, if you guys stick to what you say then fine but until then i remain incredibly skeptical due to the united flop.
At any rate wr gotta keep a tight line on this company and separating politics from a solidarity vote is vital. And you can count on me for doing what i can for a strong strike vote.

 

[700UW]

Hmm, Maybe I should attend tomorrow's business meeting as a guest, lol

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim are you going to be in CLT tomorrow?
 
of note only your slate even has anything up in my breakroom

cltrat, i have been sent to management offices once, last time and warned not to fly on travel.
Two months ago, management brought karen ascuncion in the office and claimed she may be suspended simply for traveling to iah to see her ailing mother but apparently a iam141 eboard member, presumably delaney, has joined with management to fire or suspend any opposing candidates who may be traveling to talk to fellow members. So, no i wont be there.

In june myself and others will b forced to purchase tickets even though district officers fly around and campaign.

The good thing is that the membership is speaking and it wants change and diversity instead of a dictatorship with an idiot due to the ongoing kumbuya circle jerk that has destroyed the jobs of rampers and will destroy thousands more with the united contract.

 

[cltrat]

I was wondering BK and I were just discussing tomorrow

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hmm, Maybe I should attend tomorrow's business meeting as a guest, lol

700, i am interested in something you said a week ago, ie, you will give whatever time you have to support the iam members strike vote or actual strike.
Me and you hammer eachother over some things but i can bigtime respect someone for voluntaring for the cause. Few do if it doesnt involve them. Ill give you points for that, bigtime. And i know you would.

 

[700UW]

Thanks Tim,
 
I know we have had our battles in the past, but you know I am dedicated to the cause, and I still have lots of friends out there and "family".
 
And I am glad we can agree to disagree and yet remain focused now on the cause, and that is to get Fleet, MTS and M&R fair CBAs that you all deserve.
 
If there is a strike, I will be there to help out my friends and brothers and sisters, I have a lot of experience from out strike in 92, I was a key player in running 1725's efforts.
 
And was also on the Strike Committee in 99 and was involved in the preparation, at least we didnt have to use them.
 
I supported the IAM during the raid, as you saw I was there with my son one day as his mother was involved in it.
 
And I just gave you my first plus 1, lol

 

[pjirish317]

I trust that these are the best candidates available on the ballot. Trust integrity and alot of the intangibles go a long way with me, especially when i compare to the total lack of integrity or ignorance that we can say with certainty has existed with those who cant stand up to delaney.

That said, this opposition ticket is the most experienced opposition ticket ever created. There is a reason why we have collected every hub endorsement except one that i know of.

Most Experienced? How so. CC and AV heve NEVER written a grievance, nor held any hearings at any step. How is that "the most experienced"

 

[mike33]

Ok Tim that's a fair answer but, if your slate gets voted in and you bring a crappy TA back to the membership to vote on (as in the case with HAL & UAL)
If it does get voted in will your slate at that time resign from your positions?

You are kidding right?....Really?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I was wondering BK and I were just discussing tomorrow

i think the usairways folks need to realize which candidates actually were endorsed by their ownlocal. Joe bartz may bi there tomorrow. You should ask him why he finished second to last and not one storekeeper other than him supported him so why should any usairways person support him.I mean i know mf and cb agreed to support that liar but the question is a reasonable one.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
 
Endorsements, and getting to the actual vote are miles apart. Look at yourself as an example. 2012, you got a bunch of endorsements, yet failed miserably in the actual vote. Time will tell if history repeats itself or not I guess. I pray it does repeat.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Most Experienced? How so. CC and AV heve NEVER written a grievance, nor held any hearings at any step. How is that "the most experienced"

those two are not the most experienced on the ticket. Both command a great deal of respect from their memberships. If you are uncomfortable with either of them then you can vote for two united guys. I happen to know yhat calabrese and valdez have what it takes. Sometimes an underclassman is better than an experienced upper classman that puts the pill on the ground and doesnt have the stones to make a difference.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Endorsements, and getting to the actual vote are miles apart. Look at yourself as an example. 2012, you got a bunch of endorsements, yet failed miserably in the actual vote. Time will tell if history repeats itself or not I guess. I pray it does repeat.

no. I didnt get a bunch of endorsements. I think i got 6 and others on my team got 4. The endorsements we now have represent over 75% of the membership already. Cltrat said it best, that united contract is gonna come back at them, as wrll it should. Nobody can sign such an anti union contract and think rampers are stupid enuf to vote them back in.