2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

I have heard and considered both slates' opinions and views on who would best serve the membership going forward. IMO.. The challenge the current leadership candidates are up against is the "political fallout" of the percieved sub par agreement at UA. The term "percieved" is used based on the fact the membership ratified the TA by roughly a 70% margin. Another challenge the current leadership candidates will be saddled with is the current state of US contract negotiations in June. The challenges before the opposition slate is convincing members their team has a reasonable chance to correct the ship's (the district's) direction. The opposition slate is challenged with convincing the membership the candidates on their slate represent the best choice in leadership going forward. This, despite the fact, some candidates on the said opposition slate ran vehemently against each other in the election two years ago, yet now, run as fellow slate candidates. The other challenge the opposition slate faces is dispelling the notion that certain candidates have been put on the slate based on popularity vs.experience and the potential votes they may represent for the slate. Candidates who are placed on a ballot based on the # of members in their station. One thing is certain... niether slate should read too much into the nomination endorsements. The tide will certainly change by June 2014.
respectfully submitted,  

 

[necigrad]

Remember folks, a 'slate' is meaningless.  All it is is a group of people who choose to campaign together.  You're free to vote for some, all, or none.  I think Tim is getting to be way too shady again (now many times was he asked "how are they experienced" and failed to provide an answer?) but he's not taking away anything.  Even if you vote for the ENTIRE slate of his, you still have more votes to make that aren't on his slate.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And by the way!! Yes you are stabbing our US members in the back. No other way to say it. Your running on a ticket that thinks it's ok to take away 2 board slots from the US members. If your not going to stand up now and say that's wrong and that it should be US guys running against Us guys, then how and why would you ever stand up for us once you start making the big money. Your supporting a team that is taking away slots from US fleet members, And that's ok to you!! And you want to ask US members to support you doing that. That's crazy!!!!!!


 

I guess you have nothing else to say, so I can understand. 
1. No contract
2. Terrible United contract. 
3. No grievance reports, no nothing. 
 
So that takes you back to the "Blame Tim" game.   I'm used to it.  Carry on!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Remember folks, a 'slate' is meaningless.  All it is is a group of people who choose to campaign together.  You're free to vote for some, all, or none.  I think Tim is getting to be way too shady again (now many times was he asked "how are they experienced" and failed to provide an answer?) but he's not taking away anything.  Even if you vote for the ENTIRE slate of his, you still have more votes to make that aren't on his slate.

Slate:  A group of candidates who choose to campaign together.  I was asked to be on a slate and I said yes.  Everything else is a strawman argument.  It all comes down to "Blame Tim" and take no responsibility for endorsing an anti union contract at United.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have heard and considered both slates' opinions and views on who would best serve the membership going forward. IMO.. The challenge the current leadership candidates are up against is the "political fallout" of the percieved sub par agreement at UA. The term "percieved" is used based on the fact the membership ratified the TA by roughly a 70% margin. Another challenge the current leadership candidates will be saddled with is the current state of US contract negotiations in June. The challenges before the opposition slate is convincing members their team has a reasonable chance to correct the ship's (the district's) direction. The opposition slate is challenged with convincing the membership the candidates on their slate represent the best choice in leadership going forward. This, despite the fact, some candidates on the said opposition slate ran vehemently against each other in the election two years ago, yet now, run as fellow slate candidates. The other challenge the opposition slate faces is dispelling the notion that certain candidates have been put on the slate based on popularity vs.experience and the potential votes they may represent for the slate. Candidates who are placed on a ballot based on the # of members in their station. One thing is certain... niether slate should read too much into the nomination endorsements. The tide will certainly change by June 2014.
respectfully submitted,  

You are absolutely right.  Last time the opposition was divided.  The membership made it clear that it wanted these guys out of office and they didn't want two opposition tickets. So, the opposition unified.  Instead of the great divisions that the District caused by isolating groups or individuals, the opposition became inclusive and searched for unity instead of division.  This meant that those who previously supported the Teamsters would be asked to help make the IAM better and join in.  This meant that previous adversaries would also have to unify.  I'm actually impressed and I think it offers the exact sorta thing that our district needs.  Presently, there is simply too much kumbuya as Delaney preaches to the choir and has choir boys.  Diversity is needed.  We don't need any 'unanimous eboard votes for Rich" like when he insisted on the United contract endorsement. 
 
The TA2 was an interesting vote. Delaney and his team had to go to great lengths to actually lie to the members. Those lies don't play too well at United right now.   Moving forward, I have to be skeptical as I have seen what this group does. 
 
Our union is at the crossroads, I'd say ground zero.  It's in sore need of change and Im glad that the membership is responding.  Change is the only hope for this union, and I say that we make the best of it.

 

[rockit2]

Tim,
 
Our ticket has US employees running for the following positions:
 
Vice President-At Large- 4 year term
Trustee-                           4 year term
AGC-                               4 year term
AGC-                               4 year term
AGC-                               4 year term
 
Here is what your ticket is running for US:
 
AGC-    4 year term
AGC-    2 year term
AGC-    2 year term
 
What gives? We have 5 E-Board spots for 4 years each and you have 3 E-Board spots, but 2 of them are for only 2 years. You sold your soul didn't you and in the end US employees are getting less representation? I guess you didn't have the stones to stand up and fight for 5 E-Board spots for 4 years each now did you?
 
P. Rez      

There hasn't been any lobotomy's.............we still remember the PHL incident, Pat

 

[rockit2]

And by the way!! Yes you are stabbing our US members in the back. No other way to say it. Your running on a ticket that thinks it's ok to take away 2 board slots from the US members. If your not going to stand up now and say that's wrong and that it should be US guys running against Us guys, then how and why would you ever stand up for us once you start making the big money. Your supporting a team that is taking away slots from US fleet members, And that's ok to you!! And you want to ask US members to support you doing that. That's crazy!!!!!!

Maybe you should take the lead, I understand your on the NC, where's my contract puppet. The back stabbing going on is the incumbets who are worried about losing their 100 Grand jobs. You guy's are all about polotics, not serviceing the membership.

 

[charlie Brown]

Maybe you should take the lead, I understand your on the NC, where's my contract puppet. The back stabbing going on is the incumbets who are worried about losing their 100 Grand jobs. You guy's are all about polotics, not serviceing the membership.

I'm not playing politics at all, I'm merely stating facts. Sorry if you don't like some of the layers being peeled back from Tim so the members can really see what and who he is. I think they need to know. And I don't make 100 grand a year. Per the by laws VP monthly salary is 75.00. Plus my US Airways salary. I do make more if I ever have to perform AGC duties. Otherwise it's the 75.00 a month. You want to talk US contract? I'll be glad to. But if your living in a world and think your going to get a decent contract from AH without pushing him to the end, then keep dreaming. I would love to get a really good contract in a short period of time, everyone would. But it just doesn't happen with this company. You'll get to see the last offer the company is offering us if and when we are released. You can come back and let me know if you would have accepted that or not.

 

[rockit2]

I'm not playing politics at all, I'm merely stating facts. Sorry if you don't like some of the layers being peeled back from Tim so the members can really see what and who he is. I think they need to know. And I don't make 100 grand a year. Per the by laws VP monthly salary is 75.00. Plus my US Airways salary. I do make more if I ever have to perform AGC duties. Otherwise it's the 75.00 a month. You want to talk US contract? I'll be glad to. But if your living in a world and think your going to get a decent contract from AH without pushing him to the end, then keep dreaming. I would love to get a really good contract in a short period of time, everyone would. But it just doesn't happen with this company. You'll get to see the last offer the company is offering us if and when we are released. You can come back and let me know if you would have accepted that or not.

I would love to see it, maybe you guy's should let it slip out now and fire up the troops and let them see what the world number 1 airline is offering. Ever thought of flooding Parkers e-mail from the membership, let him know how we personally feel. Do like 3 emails aday from every member and jam up his e-mail address!!!!!!!!!!! That wouldn't be considered a work action, that would just be concerned employees letting him know how AH is treating us.

 

[rockit2]

I would love to see it, maybe you guy's should let it slip out now and fire up the troops and let them see what the world number 1 airline is offering. Ever thought of flooding Parkers e-mail from the membership, let him know how we personally feel. Do like 3 emails aday from every member and jam up his e-mail address!!!!!!!!!!! That wouldn't be considered a work action, that would just be concerned employees letting him know how AH is treating us.

Oh and by the way, anyone of u guy's that kiss delaneys ring won't get my vote.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

I'm not playing politics at all, I'm merely stating facts. Sorry if you don't like some of the layers being peeled back from Tim so the members can really see what and who he is. I think they need to know. And I don't make 100 grand a year. Per the by laws VP monthly salary is 75.00. Plus my US Airways salary. I do make more if I ever have to perform AGC duties. Otherwise it's the 75.00 a month. You want to talk US contract? I'll be glad to. But if your living in a world and think your going to get a decent contract from AH without pushing him to the end, then keep dreaming. I would love to get a really good contract in a short period of time, everyone would. But it just doesn't happen with this company. You'll get to see the last offer the company is offering us if and when we are released. You can come back and let me know if you would have accepted that or not.

 
 
A lot of people lost respect for you last night in the break room and politics was the reason.
AGC's NH and MM walked the break rooms giving informational meetings, which is good. The information was old and 4 months to late. There was nothing new presented other than "Strike Strike Strike!!! Oh by the way, vote for us tomorrow!!!"
YOU USED THE INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS TO HAND OUT SLATE CARDS!
NH hasn"t walked the break rooms in close to 2 years. MF has only walked the break rooms once in the past year. You communicate mainly on an email group that only includes a fraction of the CLT members.
Delaney only shows up here during a vote. Sito, or whatever his name is, the head of Transportation for the Grand Lodge, shows up with our Grand Lodge rep Tommy and multiple AGC's last month and never walked the property. How disrespectful is that.
If your slate wants recognition in CLT, PLEASE SHOW UP!
 
Sorry for the rant, it needed to be said!

 

[charlie Brown]

A lot of people lost respect for you last night in the break room and politics was the reason.
AGC's NH and MM walked the break rooms giving informational meetings, which is good. The information was old and 4 months to late. There was nothing new presented other than "Strike Strike Strike!!! Oh by the way, vote for us tomorrow!!!"
YOU USED THE INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS TO HAND OUT SLATE CARDS!
NH hasn"t walked the break rooms in close to 2 years. MF has only walked the break rooms once in the past year. You communicate mainly on an email group that only includes a fraction of the CLT members.
Delaney only shows up here during a vote. Sito, or whatever his name is, the head of Transportation for the Grand Lodge, shows up with our Grand Lodge rep Tommy and multiple AGC's last month and never walked the property. How disrespectful is that.
If your slate wants recognition in CLT, PLEASE SHOW UP!
 
Sorry for the rant, it needed to be said!

United
I didn't hand out one slate during my break room briefings the past three days I've been doing them. I was on a conference call on Friday when we learned of the probable release and the negotiations team and the district reps were told to get to the break rooms and educate the membership as to what was going on. I also didn't ask for one person to come and vote for me. And I do a email briefing for anyone that wants to get on it, not just for a select few. The email also goes to many people across the system. That's not a bad thing!! Lots of people are thankful we do it. I've also never denied anyone my cell number that has asked. And we brief breakrooms very often in clt. Wish I had time to do it more often, I like informing the membership. I wonder if your on the email briefing? Or have my cell number? Feel free to do both. I would venture to say, if you lost respect for me because I do emails and brief the breakrooms with very important information that all needs to here and know, then you never really respected me to begin with.

 

[rockit2]

United
I didn't hand out one slate during my break room briefings the past three days I've been doing them. I was on a conference call on Friday when we learned of the probable release and the negotiations team and the district reps were told to get to the break rooms and educate the membership as to what was going on. I also didn't ask for one person to come and vote for me. And I do a email briefing for anyone that wants to get on it, not just for a select few. The email also goes to many people across the system. That's not a bad thing!! Lots of people are thankful we do it. I've also never denied anyone my cell number that has asked. And we brief breakrooms very often in clt. Wish I had time to do it more often, I like informing the membership. I wonder if your on the email briefing? Or have my cell number? Feel free to do both. I would venture to say, if you lost respect for me because I do emails and brief the breakrooms with very important information that all needs to here and know, then you never really respected me to begin with.

CB
How about giving the briefing now, my agc has visited my station once in the last 3 years and we only hear news second hand from the hubs. Please post what u were telling your members in Clt. I will print it and post it on the bulletin board here.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm not playing politics at all, I'm merely stating facts. Sorry if you don't like some of the layers being peeled back from Tim so the members can really see what and who he is. I think they need to know. And I don't make 100 grand a year. Per the by laws VP monthly salary is 75.00. Plus my US Airways salary. I do make more if I ever have to perform AGC duties. Otherwise it's the 75.00 a month. You want to talk US contract? I'll be glad to. But if your living in a world and think your going to get a decent contract from AH without pushing him to the end, then keep dreaming. I would love to get a really good contract in a short period of time, everyone would. But it just doesn't happen with this company. You'll get to see the last offer the company is offering us if and when we are released. You can come back and let me know if you would have accepted that or not.

You aren't playing politics at all?  Yep, blame Tim for being on a ticket that has a United guy from MSP running against you yet you refuse to tell the CLT members that most everyone on your ticket couldn't even get their own home nomination.  Instead of blaming Tim, maybe you guys should have actually done something the last several years.  Maybe you should have done your job putting out the quarterly grievance reports for your members to review. Maybe you shouldn't have endorsed that United contract. 
 
BTW,  are you just going to let the members see the last proposal and make a choice for them, or are you going to allow the membership to vote on the last proposal? Give us a Yes or No right now.  Yes or No?
 
 IMO, no officer should be making decisions for people about striking without allowing the membership to choose for itself by voting on the last proposal.  Of course, by bylaw, any tentative should have the direction of the negotiation team if they want the membership to accept it or reject it.   So, I want to clarify what you guys plan on doing?

 

[UnitedWeStand]

United
I didn't hand out one slate during my break room briefings the past three days I've been doing them. I was on a conference call on Friday when we learned of the probable release and the negotiations team and the district reps were told to get to the break rooms and educate the membership as to what was going on. I also didn't ask for one person to come and vote for me. And I do a email briefing for anyone that wants to get on it, not just for a select few. The email also goes to many people across the system. That's not a bad thing!! Lots of people are thankful we do it. I've also never denied anyone my cell number that has asked. And we brief breakrooms very often in clt. Wish I had time to do it more often, I like informing the membership. I wonder if your on the email briefing? Or have my cell number? Feel free to do both. I would venture to say, if you lost respect for me because I do emails and brief the breakrooms with very important information that all needs to here and know, then you never really respected me to begin with.

 
Slate cards were being handed out and set on the tables during your briefings. You don't walk the break rooms even once a month on a consistant basis. The only people who have any information are the day shift people in team three. I am on your email list. It troubles me that your keeping the membership in CLT informed is limited to "Here's your email...Pass it on." Our AGC's have forgotten us. The one time in 6 years Delaney came to CLT outside of an election, he never walked the property. WTF! How should the membership support that!
The 6 talking points you said the Company won't move on, were contract issues taking us back to possibly square one on the '99 contract. Is that all you are doing for us is trying to just get back to the '99 Contract. I have a problem with that. That Contract was signed 15 years ago. 
You have earned my respect in CLT. I don't respect using briefings the day before nominations for politics!
It demeans you.
Just sayin'