2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[cltrat]

in CB's defense there were no slate cards handed out or none on the table during our briefing , in fact the election was not mentioned.
I won't attempt to defend the two agc's as I have my opinions in that area and will just keep quiet

 

[rockit2]

in CB's defense there were no slate cards handed out or none on the table during our briefing , in fact the election was not mentioned.
I won't attempt to defend the two agc's as I have my opinions in that area and will just keep quiet

Rat, what was said in the briefing?

 

[charlie Brown]

CB
How about giving the briefing now, my agc has visited my station once in the last 3 years and we only hear news second hand from the hubs. Please post what u were telling your members in Clt. I will print it and post it on the bulletin board here.

PM me your email, I'll forward you the same copy that I sent out to everyone else. Lots of people print it and post it. As for station visits from your AGC I can't answer that. I can tell you that if your station needs a visit from myself and maybe another member of the negotiating team to come there and brief and take questions I'll b glad to get with you when you PM me and set something up.

 

[charlie Brown]

Slate cards were being handed out and set on the tables during your briefings. You don't walk the break rooms even once a month on a consistant basis. The only people who have any information are the day shift people in team three. I am on your email list. It troubles me that your keeping the membership in CLT informed is limited to "Here's your email...Pass it on." Our AGC's have forgotten us. The one time in 6 years Delaney came to CLT outside of an election, he never walked the property. WTF! How should the membership support that!
The 6 talking points you said the Company won't move on, were contract issues taking us back to possibly square one on the '99 contract. Is that all you are doing for us is trying to just get back to the '99 Contract. I have a problem with that. That Contract was signed 15 years ago. 
You have earned my respect in CLT. I don't respect using briefings the day before nominations for politics!
It demeans you.
Just sayin'

All I can say is that we do walk breakrooms. There are 8 breakrooms in clt. Now double that for Am and PM that's 16. We don't have time to get to all breakrooms with the time we are allowed. So we hit them as much as possible. Few areas that usually get neglected are bagroom and catering PM. I wish we had more time, but that's also why I think emails are important, so we can brief the people we may not see. And I think the info we have to get out right now to the membership is to important to be playing politics with. As I said, I didn't hand out anything, or even say anything about nominations. I know many people print out our email briefings and post for people to read. Don't understand why you have a issue with that.

 

[P. REZ]

You aren't playing politics at all?  Yep, blame Tim for being on a ticket that has a United guy from MSP running against you yet you refuse to tell the CLT members that most everyone on your ticket couldn't even get their own home nomination.  Instead of blaming Tim, maybe you guys should have actually done something the last several years.  Maybe you should have done your job putting out the quarterly grievance reports for your members to review. Maybe you shouldn't have endorsed that United contract. 
 
BTW,  are you just going to let the members see the last proposal and make a choice for them, or are you going to allow the membership to vote on the last proposal? Give us a Yes or No right now.  Yes or No?
 
 IMO, no officer should be making decisions for people about striking without allowing the membership to choose for itself by voting on the last proposal.  Of course, by bylaw, any tentative should have the direction of the negotiation team if they want the membership to accept it or reject it.   So, I want to clarify what you guys plan on doing?

Tim,
 
I have been briefing that employees will get to vote on the last Company offer and whether to strike. I have also told them generally what the Company offer is and that I am quite confident that they will agree with the NC in that the Company offer is a POS.
 
P. Rez  

 

[WeAAsles]

Just curious on the member (UnitedWeStand) who said he doesn't want to go back to items within your 99 contract. Our Contracts (TWU) prior to our concessions in 03 and the BK had more Hollidays at Double time and a half, more sick days, more ID time, payed lunches and penalty hours, a smaller FT to PT ratio and stronger SCOPE with more open stations. Those items add up quickly to a members total compensation for the year and certainly add jobs. 

All those items (Improvements) are absolutely things we should be striving to gain back in the future. I very much doubt if your NC is asking for some of those items back it means they're talking about the direct wages of those years as well. We've already began to move on from that and I'm sure they'll be continual improvements over time.

Remember that a contract is not only about your base rate but a collection of many other items that adds value in it's entirety.

 

[charlie Brown]

You aren't playing politics at all?  Yep, blame Tim for being on a ticket that has a United guy from MSP running against you yet you refuse to tell the CLT members that most everyone on your ticket couldn't even get their own home nomination.  Instead of blaming Tim, maybe you guys should have actually done something the last several years.  Maybe you should have done your job putting out the quarterly grievance reports for your members to review. Maybe you shouldn't have endorsed that United contract. 
 
BTW,  are you just going to let the members see the last proposal and make a choice for them, or are you going to allow the membership to vote on the last proposal? Give us a Yes or No right now.  Yes or No?
 
 IMO, no officer should be making decisions for people about striking without allowing the membership to choose for itself by voting on the last proposal.  Of course, by bylaw, any tentative should have the direction of the negotiation team if they want the membership to accept it or reject it.   So, I want to clarify what you guys plan on doing?

Tim
Your a pretty intelligent guy. You should be able to understand what I'm saying. I don't have a problem with someone running against me. I don't know how much clearer I can be. And as far as the UA guy from MSP. I know him, have had lots of conversations with the guy, I think he is a standup guy. But even if it was my brother working for UA, he shouldn't be running for a US spot that your supporting giving up. If you want me out, you should have a US guy running for the spot. That way, even if your slate was to win, it would still be a US position for our members. Believe me, you'll wish you had it, if you get in. And like I said, you'll never get it back.
And even though you never answer my questions, I'll answer your about the proposal. Before any strike vote is taken by then membership, the membership will see and vote on whether to accept the companies last proposal or not. I hope you will put politics aside at that point and help steer the membership correctly when that comes out. Because IMO, unless it is a world better than the last one, then we wouldn't want it voted in.

 

[700UW]

John John,
 
You havent answered, since the CWA has language to honor a picket line, will you and the CWA honor if and when the IAM goes on strike?
 
Its been a few days and no reply.

 

[WeAAsles]

I also forgot to mention that we had and just lost in the BK, Ft and PT Job Protection status and a special $12,500 compensation if a member had to excersise their status and bump within the system. Those items were IMO very important as it restricted the company from using any members as seasonal workers in that it restricted the cost effectiveness of it if so much money had to be paid out for the move. 

When the time comes and we're bargaining together for a JCBA there will be items in both seperate CBA's that we will want to discuss joining into one. Each contract will be noted in talks on both sides by the Union and company reps for there strengths and weaknesses and each side will be looking to capitalize on those items.

 

[Rook]

I'm in one of those station that was on the chopping block last April and when we let our AGC know about the sAA eagle beefing up their staff over there it was passed onto the NC and got the LOA for another year and it was followed up with CB and MF visiting our station for the day for a Q&A .
Just something I thought you ought to know
IMO I don't see how someone can give a yes or no ultimatum to someone when they avoid given the same ultimatum!
Just my 2 cents

 

[WeAAsles]

700UW: I think that the other Unions on property may want to take a wait and see strategy before announcing what there intentions of support might be? The last thing you want to do is telegraph to your enemy what your game plan is so they can prepare for it.

Years ago during one of our negotiations we had a local President who instructed some members to write a date on bag carts. That date was all over the ramp. Management was calling the Local going crazy wanting to know what was going to happen on that date? They scheduled EVERY member of management to be on duty when the day came. You know what we did on that date? Nothing! Just the thought alone that they thought something was going to happen drove them nuts and the point was made.

 

[700UW]

They cant replace the Flight Attendants, Customer Service, Ramp and M&R at the same time.

We all know the pilots wont honor a picket line, they never have at US and never will, heck they are fighting within themselves.
 
And I disagree, the more leverage you have the more pressure is put on the company.
 
We struck as M&R in 1992 and were ready to walk in October of 1999 if we had too.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I have been briefing that employees will get to vote on the last Company offer and whether to strike. I have also told them generally what the Company offer is and that I am quite confident that they will agree with the NC in that the Company offer is a POS.
 
P. Rez  

I hear ya Prez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Your a pretty intelligent guy. You should be able to understand what I'm saying. I don't have a problem with someone running against me. I don't know how much clearer I can be. And as far as the UA guy from MSP. I know him, have had lots of conversations with the guy, I think he is a standup guy. But even if it was my brother working for UA, he shouldn't be running for a US spot that your supporting giving up. If you want me out, you should have a US guy running for the spot. That way, even if your slate was to win, it would still be a US position for our members. Believe me, you'll wish you had it, if you get in. And like I said, you'll never get it back.
And even though you never answer my questions, I'll answer your about the proposal. Before any strike vote is taken by then membership, the membership will see and vote on whether to accept the companies last proposal or not. I hope you will put politics aside at that point and help steer the membership correctly when that comes out. Because IMO, unless it is a world better than the last one, then we wouldn't want it voted in.

I didn't choose to have anyone run against you, whether it was UA or US.  I had no idea what position you were even up for but I would have assumed AGC.   I keep telling you that I was asked to be on the ticket and I said 'yes'.  Yet you blame me for everything as if this is 'my ticket'.  Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that because the ticket is solid but what you continually to suggest about me is a mischaracterization.  But I understand that there is nothing else you can campaign on other than "Get Timmy".  
 
Again, there are no US AIRWAYS spots.   A person can vote for whoever they want.  No US AIRWAYS candidate is entitled, including me, so in theory there may be no US AIRWAYS members who win.  Who knows? 
 
Slates pick candidates, the members decide who wins. There supposedly will be a Guam "spot" next time. Maybe the US AIRWAYS guys on the board should have considered having a US AIRWAYS 'spot' and crafted a bylaw like they did for Guam.  That's a thought.
 
At any rate, good to hear that the union leaders won't be making choices for the membership, only recommendations.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Just curious on the member (UnitedWeStand) who said he doesn't want to go back to items within your 99 contract. 

 
 
Let me clarify......
 
It has been said from the beginning that the '99 Agreement would be the starting point of negotiations. My statement is that if the endpoint of negotiations does not reach the '99 agreement, I have a problem with that.
The 6 talking points, (that are not on the district website as MF told people that asked him about where it could be had in print), did not exceed the '99 Agreement. 3 years of negotiating for that???