2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

M&R will do what's right, they all ready have been flexing some muscle, and M&R filed to be released first, so we shall see what happens.

 

[Kev3188]

And to comment on something else I guess certain people can't get through their heads that ultimately it's the membership who votes in a contract.

That's certainly true, but then you have this:
 
 

... bottom line is people are basically looking out for themselves and dont care about their coworkers,its a sad state of affairs.

...And this:
 

 

And one other thing-- what was the overall percentage of UA Membership tun-out in that vote? How many even cared enough to go to the polls?

And it adds up to everyone having their work cut out for them...
 
 

I don't know Klemm from Adam... never been in the UA forum discussing their business...
 
I do agree that at times the Leadership in not fully prepared and/or willing to submit every detail to Membership prior to a ratification vote.

There are few things more maddening than a GC showing up to one's station and not knowing much (if anything). I had a GC like that for awhile. It blew. Thankfully, my last one was the exact opposite.
 

 

Do I think the UA deal was good for US? Probably not... but I'm not UA... and I only care about US,

I hear ya, and to be honest that's an easy sentiment to have. At the same time, people need to recognize that if you "care about US (or whomever)," then that also means caring what happens at DL, WN, UA, etc., because what happens at one will eventually affect the others...
 
 

That's funny because I got to read it before the vote and I'm not even a UAL IAM member. It was posted online. We were even discussing it on our group FB pages. We also knew the position those members were in when they received the TA. Just saying.

The full text agreement? Where?

All I saw was the PowerPoint(ish) one that the DL put out for each classification.

 

[roabilly]

You are a fraud.  Of course you would care, much like how you cared for who endorsed your contract in 2008 and showed up at the "Throw Down Party".  Kindly review  your post of about 6 years ago and how you really do care when someone signs your contract.  
 
The United members care as well, and they are showing they care by endorsing change at all the big United locals.  Yet you are saying that you really don't give a crap who endorsed that contract that you are voting on?   And you are saying that you really don't care that the leadership lied to the membership when they interpreted the contract and manufactured the consent? 
 
You care Roabilly, oh yeah you do.  But your trouble is that both of us know who endorsed it.  Case Closed!  Now go run back to MF.  Lol

Again... that time period was after the second Bankruptcy filing. We were ALL pissed about the BK T/A although there was little we could do about it. 
You of course, championed the "Throw the Bums out" movement known as the New Direction in 08... and yes... I was on-board with the change in Leadership...
 
Now fast forward to today... and you still preach the "Throw the Bums out" (The ones you got elected) mantra, although there has not even been an agreement in section 6!
 
You Sir... are the FRAUD!

 

[Tim Nelson]

The full text agreement? Where?

All I saw was the PowerPoint(ish) one that the DL put out for each classification.

The full text was online.  Again, the membership read the agreement and had very good questions.  The problem was that each question was met with a lie of interpretation. Processing the agreement became jammed. That's why I have a very very hard time blaming a membership that was purposely NOT given the right information or interpretation.

 

[roabilly]

The full text was online.  Again, the membership read the agreement and had very good questions.  The problem was that each question was met with a lie of interpretation. Processing the agreement became jammed. That's why I have a very very hard time blaming a membership that was purposely NOT given the right information or interpretation.

Nelson,
 
What was the overall Membership turn-out on this vote?

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes the full text agreement. I saw the power point first too. I admit it was one of the fanciest cover letters I ever saw. Have to admit that. Later on the full text agreement was published. Our people here were running around with the cover letter and going nuts. They loved the base wage. After the full language came out we read and directed it to explain to our members. The revelry died fast. But that's only meant to imply that in comparison to our CBA it just wasn't the same thing and would have been concessionary for us. Sorry guys but to me at least from what they had and what UAL could do it was an improvement. Perfect no. Improvement yes. IMO.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again... that time period was after the second Bankruptcy filing. We were ALL pissed about the BK T/A although there was little we could do about it. 
You of course, championed the "Throw the Bums out" movement known as the New Direction in 08... and yes... I was on-board with the change in Leadership...
 
Now fast forward to today... and you still preach the "Throw the Bums out" (The ones you got elected) mantra, although there has not even been an agreement in section 6!
 
You Sir... are the FRAUD!

Why were you on board with the leadership change in 2008?  Was it because you rented out your brain or because you were like the rest of us and knew the previous leaders were not worthy of our votes?  And don't blame bankruptcy again.  The '08 agreement had nothing to do with it.    And explain to us why you were on board in '08 with change but still carry the ND flag 6 years later after the United Debacle.   Since you can't answer some questions, can you at least say to the audience that some of those United AGC's really are not deserving to be voted in?

 

[WeAAsles]

Keep selling yourself Tim. Persistence at least has a shot.

 

[roabilly]

Why were you on board with the leadership change in 2008?  Was it because you rented out your brain or because you were like the rest of us and knew the previous leaders were not worthy of our votes?  And don't blame bankruptcy again.  The '08 agreement had nothing to do with it.    And explain to us why you were on board in '08 with change but still carry the ND flag 6 years later after the United Debacle.   Since you can't answer some questions, can you at least say to the audience that some of those United AGC's really are not deserving to be voted in?

You still don't get it... NOTHING has changed even AFTER your 08 throw the bums out campaign! the only thing different, is we actually have a chance in Section 6, but you insist on yet another "Throw the Bums out" endeavor...
 
That's the FRAUD... your ideology did not work then, and it won't work now!

 

[737823]

Why were you on board with the leadership change in 2008?  Was it because you rented out your brain or because you were like the rest of us and knew the previous leaders were not worthy of our votes?  And don't blame bankruptcy again.  The '08 agreement had nothing to do with it.    And explain to us why you were on board in '08 with change but still carry the ND flag 6 years later after the United Debacle.   Since you can't answer some questions, can you at least say to the audience that some of those United AGC's really are not deserving to be voted in?

+1

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

You still don't get it... NOTHING has changed even AFTER your 08 throw the bums out campaign! the only thing different, is we actually have a chance in Section 6, but you insist on yet another "Throw the Bums out" endeavor...
 
That's the FRAUD... your ideology did not work then, and it won't work now!

Nothing has changed? Let's not talk about that big elephant in the room that you don't want to talk about. 
 
BTW, why does Mike M get to go to CLT the night before nominations, along with other AGC's, fly in on US AIRWAYS, and go down into the breakrooms and pass out campaign material. Yet allegedly Karen A gets suspended pending investigation because she went down to Texas to see a ailing family member and did so on her travel.   What business did Mike have in CLT? Does he have family?  Does he represent anyone in CLT?   Roabilly, I'm attempting to smash down all the dirty evil stuff you stand behind. The worst Republican couldn't do a better job than you.  It's profane for you to even mention how your own boys screwed over our craft at United.
 
For the audience:  When voting, ask yourself why Roabilly can't recognize the United debacle.  Ask yourself why the entire IAM141 eboard, including the US AIRWAYS members endorsed that shameful anti union contract.  Also, ask yourself why the AGC's get to fly around at nomination time and campaign but others are threatened with termination.  What Roabilly supports is much much worse than what any Republican can do.
Even though Roabily says "Pay no attention to United or those behind the IAM eboard curtain".   We do not live in a vacuum and what happens at United affects the craft in the industry.  Same thing at Boeing.  Now the Boeing concessions are hitting home with other IAM members.  Kindly review the following link: http://www.king5.com/home/More-pension-changes-coming-to-Boeing-246454511.html

 

[737823]

Tim, here is GVP Mark Blondin telling the membership they should not give up the pension:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuQcl1hhCUk

Buffy on not cutting DB plans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUMyxeLv2M

http://seattletimes.com/html/boeingaerospace/2022564726_apxboeingwashington.html

Josh

 

[mike33]

When you guys quit talking about each other. PM me so i can let the guys in my station know when to start reading again....!!!!!

 

[AANOTOK]

Just as much trash mud slinging over here in this forum as there is in the AA forum, WeAAsles. You do work for AA, correct? I am still confused as to why you are hesitant to socialize, lecture, confront or even chastise those presently at your same employer and even more so, same union. It's not one of those "Kitchen too hot" scenarios is it?
 
I don't see Tim, Prez, ograc, roabilly etc...spending all their time over on the AA forum.
Something just a little strange about this whole situation...and surely you wouldn't be posting
under some other alias in the AA forum, would you, WeAAsles?  B)

 

[Tim Nelson]

Josh, I think the IAM INTL videos you posted speak for themselves.  Our union is at the crossroads. The union leaders have been clobbered by the Republicans and act like "Beaten Dogs". Hope is on the way though but we need to change the path from ground zero where IAM141 has this membership due to United Airlines, and move it in a positive direction again by building upon ground zero.  It would be nice to build upon something but over 6 years NOTHING has been built.  Nothing can be showed.  NOTHING.  The good news is that the membership has responded and the membership wants change.  The top 6 locals in this District voted about 80% in favor of change.  Small stations voted for change as well.  Plenty of work to do and change is  never easy but I say we have one chance to make this happen and  I think that we should make the best of it!