2014 Fleet Service Discussion

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[SIZE=12pt]NMB Meeting Scheduled[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The National Mediation Board (NMB) has scheduled meetings between the principal representatives in the US Airways – IAM negotiations. The meetings are set for March 18 and 19, 2014 at the offices of the NMB in Washington, DC.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]While preparations continue for a proffer of arbitration, rejection of that proffer and the establishment of a 30-day cooling off period, we plan to attend the meetings. The IAM will enter these meetings skeptical that US Airways management has changed its position that US Airways employees must accept a second-class contract.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]The full negotiating committees from IAM Districts 141 and 142 will move their strike preparedness meetings to Washington, DC during that time in order to be responsive to the outcome of the meetings, whatever that outcome may be.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]All members must continue their full-throated support of their negotiating committees and their unwavering support of the fight to achieve fair contracts before entering any merger related activity between US Airways and American Airlines.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Your Union, your leaders and your negotiating committees will not accept second class status for our IAM members. And, as you have made clear, neither will you![/SIZE]

 

[28L_or_10R?]

 

[robbedagain]

i hope then may be the nmb will release both iam groups and see the media blitz  and see how soon then the donkeys come back to the table
 
enough is enough  time for contracts  or  strike

 

[charlie Brown]

Nothing has changed? Let's not talk about that big elephant in the room that you don't want to talk about. 
 
BTW, why does Mike M get to go to CLT the night before nominations, along with other AGC's, fly in on US AIRWAYS, and go down into the breakrooms and pass out campaign material. Yet allegedly Karen A gets suspended pending investigation because she went down to Texas to see a ailing family member and did so on her travel.   What business did Mike have in CLT? Does he have family?  Does he represent anyone in CLT?   Roabilly, I'm attempting to smash down all the dirty evil stuff you stand behind. The worst Republican couldn't do a better job than you.  It's profane for you to even mention how your own boys screwed over our craft at United.
 
For the audience:  When voting, ask yourself why Roabilly can't recognize the United debacle.  Ask yourself why the entire IAM141 eboard, including the US AIRWAYS members endorsed that shameful anti union contract.  Also, ask yourself why the AGC's get to fly around at nomination time and campaign but others are threatened with termination.  What Roabilly supports is much much worse than what any Republican can do.
Even though Roabily says "Pay no attention to United or those behind the IAM eboard curtain".   We do not live in a vacuum and what happens at United affects the craft in the industry.  Same thing at Boeing.  Now the Boeing concessions are hitting home with other IAM members.  Kindly review the following link: http://www.king5.com/home/More-pension-changes-coming-to-Boeing-246454511.html

Tim
Out of respect to Ograc asking all to bury the politics I haven't responded in a while to your deliberate deceit on here for all to read. But I have to respond to the above post. Mike M never came to clt. What are you talking about?? In fact the only two AGC,s that were here, was MF and NH. Both are assigned to clt, and both always come in for the union meetings. The grievance committee was briefing breakrooms on mon-wed that week to update about being released, and they said they would walk with us on tues and wed. But it was only the two that always come in. I don't care if you believe me , prove me wrong. You think just because you post things on here that it's the truth?? Or maybe you think other people believe that. I've told you before, once the membership learns that you always deceive them, you are going to have a rough time being a credible AGC for US airways fleet. That is if you was to win. But I don't know why you have to post lies on here. Maybe some other people from clt that are on here can verify that Mike M was not in clt the other day when you say. But you do realize. Once you lose your credibility with the membership, your going to be done.

 

[cltrat]

NH and MF were the only agcs that I seen there so if he was there he wasn't at the lodge.

 

[charlie Brown]

Just to update everyone on the LOA for the stations that could be contracted out. If you remember the NC did a loa last year with the company agreeing to basically freeze all scope and remain at status quo until April of 2014. I'm happy to say that we just this week were able to extend that loa through April of 2015. Hopefully this will give us time to get an agreement to secure these stations in a new CBA.

 

[charlie Brown]

NH and MF were the only agcs that I seen there so if he was there he wasn't at the lodge.

Thank you!!

 

[700UW]

Nick and Mark always attend 1725s meetings, I have seen them there several times.

 

[ograc]

I’ve attempted to explain the process regarding Corporate Bankruptcy Laws over and over in this forum for years. Time, after time, ALL of this has been discussed and explained. After all of this... there are still people that blame the Union for what happened!
 
It’s really amazing to me, and I see why the Companies would use these BK Laws as “tools” to crush labor...
 
Think about it... it’s a win-win for the Company. They get to use a Legal System that they lobbied politicians to create, as means to completely neuter the Represented Employee Groups (Even the Pilots) thus, rendering their CBA’s useless.
 
Then, using completely legal processes, they corner the Unions and make demands like the 20% you indicated, OR through the abrogation process, they WILL impose an agreement of THEIR choosing.
 
The most amazing part is that after the dust settles, factions of the Membership BLAMES the Union for the losses, while giving the Company a free pass -- which in turn, weakens the solidarity of the organized groups further. The end result of course, is where we are today...
 
Armchair Negotiators like Nelson dredge up all of this BK carnage to discredit Union Leaders for their own political gain!
 
So... yes the “Gun to the Head” analogy is correct... there is not one damn thing the Unions can do when these processes are implemented! 

Factions of this membership blamed Canale.They endorsed Delaney for change. You're right ROA... the unions are powerless when up against BK processes. I don't care who is leading. The fact of the matter is... the UA contract and the still unsettled US contract are not being negotiated under BK. Under the current leadership the UA contract is "strike one". Next pitch... the US Fleet contract negotiations. For the sake of all those who supported the Delaney ticket, and ultimately ousted Canale and team for agreements reached under BK negotiations, I hope they hit it out of the park.I know many of those supporters are holding out hope and remain loyal. Semper Fi! Additionally, other key backers of Delaney have already jumped ship. Factions of the membership, blamed the union back then, factions blame the union now. Until we realize who the real enemy is we will forever run the wheel like mindless hamsters.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Out of respect to Ograc asking all to bury the politics I haven't responded in a while to your deliberate deceit on here for all to read. But I have to respond to the above post. Mike M never came to clt. What are you talking about?? In fact the only two AGC,s that were here, was MF and NH. Both are assigned to clt, and both always come in for the union meetings. The grievance committee was briefing breakrooms on mon-wed that week to update about being released, and they said they would walk with us on tues and wed. But it was only the two that always come in. I don't care if you believe me , prove me wrong. You think just because you post things on here that it's the truth?? Or maybe you think other people believe that. I've told you before, once the membership learns that you always deceive them, you are going to have a rough time being a credible AGC for US airways fleet. That is if you was to win. But I don't know why you have to post lies on here. Maybe some other people from clt that are on here can verify that Mike M was not in clt the other day when you say. But you do realize. Once you lose your credibility with the membership, your going to be done.

Well,my bad if he wasn't there.  Out of respect for others, I'll save my talk about credibility and the United contract endorsers. lol
 
While you are here, when you guys are formulating more questions and answers I think an important item may be the TWU commitment not to do our work if there is a strike, or answer the question if they have to.  The guys in ORD been bugging me about that one.  And the guys in CLT might need to hear if Piedmont can be used to do our work in CLT if called upon. I know Piedmont has a no sympathy in their agreement, and that our contract will be voided if we go out on strike, so if you could get some answers regarding how other union employees from other unions will Not be doing our work then that would make folks more knowledgeable and give greater solidarity. 
 
In solidarity,

 

[ograc]

Tim
Out of respect to Ograc asking all to bury the politics I haven't responded in a while to your deliberate deceit on here for all to read. But I have to respond to the above post. Mike M never came to clt. What are you talking about?? In fact the only two AGC,s that were here, was MF and NH. Both are assigned to clt, and both always come in for the union meetings. The grievance committee was briefing breakrooms on mon-wed that week to update about being released, and they said they would walk with us on tues and wed. But it was only the two that always come in. I don't care if you believe me , prove me wrong. You think just because you post things on here that it's the truth?? Or maybe you think other people believe that. I've told you before, once the membership learns that you always deceive them, you are going to have a rough time being a credible AGC for US airways fleet. That is if you was to win. But I don't know why you have to post lies on here. Maybe some other people from clt that are on here can verify that Mike M was not in clt the other day when you say. But you do realize. Once you lose your credibility with the membership, your going to be done.

 

[ograc]

Tim
Out of respect to Ograc asking all to bury the politics I haven't responded in a while to your deliberate deceit on here for all to read. But I have to respond to the above post. Mike M never came to clt. What are you talking about?? In fact the only two AGC,s that were here, was MF and NH. Both are assigned to clt, and both always come in for the union meetings. The grievance committee was briefing breakrooms on mon-wed that week to update about being released, and they said they would walk with us on tues and wed. But it was only the two that always come in. I don't care if you believe me , prove me wrong. You think just because you post things on here that it's the truth?? Or maybe you think other people believe that. I've told you before, once the membership learns that you always deceive them, you are going to have a rough time being a credible AGC for US airways fleet. That is if you was to win. But I don't know why you have to post lies on here. Maybe some other people from clt that are on here can verify that Mike M was not in clt the other day when you say. But you do realize. Once you lose your credibility with the membership, your going to be done.

CB,
Thank you for respecting, not only my wishes, but many on this forum who would rather the discussion be about our collective futures in the months to come. We should be focusing, not on divisional politics, but on solidarity at this point. Unfortunately, for some, the political grandstanding and personal attacks will never cease.I guess it's solidarity be damned in their view. At any rate... your post was warranted and excused.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Charlie,
can you get the US AIRWAYS grievance forms on our website as well and not just United Airlines. And can you guys finally follow the bylaws and do the quarterly grievance reports so the members can see exactly what grievances have been handled? Even Canale got us Local Chairpersons the quarterlies.
 
For those who want a FB site with over 2,000 of our members, and only our members,  visit https://www.facebook.com/groups/IAMVOTINGIAM/

 

[WeAAsles]

Just as much trash mud slinging over here in this forum as there is in the AA forum, WeAAsles. You do work for AA, correct? I am still confused as to why you are hesitant to socialize, lecture, confront or even chastise those presently at your same employer and even more so, same union. It's not one of those "Kitchen too hot" scenarios is it?
 
I don't see Tim, Prez, ograc, roabilly etc...spending all their time over on the AA forum.
Something just a little strange about this whole situation...and surely you wouldn't be posting
under some other alias in the AA forum, would you, WeAAsles?  B)

I am sorry AANOTOK that my first response didn't live up to your satisfaction. Once again I'll try to give you my personal feelings. I have glanced at the AA pages and what I have noticed is that it is all issues regarding maintenance. As I am not a part of maintenance why should I jump into there issues such as they are? I also contribute to multiple FB pages with our AA members and even run one myself that I use to inform our members of things I know or within the Union movement that should interest them.

Now you may say the same thing about my participation here but there is a difference. We are all now a part of the same company. The road to completing the process is still ahead of us but we will all be together inevitably. So there issues here are also my issues. I'm guessing you feel the same since you also participate here? This is a Fleet specific thread right.

As for the fact that you seem to want to know who I am? I'm guessing that you already know who I am since I left enough bread crumbs to follow the trail. I think Tim knows as well if you would like to ask him. If either of you can guess right I'll get you a prize.  And no I do not go by multiple aliases or personalities. My first name is not Sybil.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Just to update everyone on the LOA for the stations that could be contracted out. If you remember the NC did a loa last year with the company agreeing to basically freeze all scope and remain at status quo until April of 2014. I'm happy to say that we just this week were able to extend that loa through April of 2015. Hopefully this will give us time to get an agreement to secure these stations in a new CBA.

It definitely shows movement to the NMB, on management's part.  Which may lean any release towards MX.  Ands you say, it should give the necessary time to get these stations, in concrete, in any new section 6 contract, and not just serve as a temporary band aid.  This is above all.  Any section 6 TA that does not include anything other than the april Cinderella date is bad news as they all will get eaten alive if we left section 6 talks without concrete scope for our current stations. Educating the membership more on scope can't hurt.