2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

CB,
Thank you for respecting, not only my wishes, but many on this forum who would rather the discussion be about our collective futures in the months to come. We should be focusing, not on divisional politics, but on solidarity at this point. Unfortunately, for some, the political grandstanding and personal attacks will never cease.I guess it's solidarity be damned in their view. At any rate... your post was warranted and excused.

imo the focus under the canopy is solidarity. In fact, i dont think ah signs the station extension without it. The memberships solidarity has forced the present position of the nc. Politics is inherent and provides competition insomuch that the leaders have to feel elections. Politics within our group has not taken away from solidarity, in fact it has enhanced solidarity since everyone is pushing for a strong strike vote.

Politics is never pretty but a necessary aspect of democracy. I thank those who have chosen to be candidates so there can be challenges to prune the branch or otherwise .

At any rate, no candidate or current officer should do anything but show a clear rejection voice over any section 6 contract that leaves section 6 without confirming all current stations. No contract should offer more sick time, etc without confirming or enhancing scope for all currdnt stations. AH understands scope as the most sacred and it is about time our union does. No cinderella clauses after any ta.

 

[737823]

I don't know Klemm from Adam... never been in the UA forum discussing their business...
 
I do agree that at times the Leadership in not fully prepared and/or willing to submit every detail to Membership prior to a ratification vote. I almost came to blows with Bonar, and Moore over this concerning seniority in our first agreement. Ironically, most of the Members that would benefit from the status quo were completely OK with the lack of information on this, because they knew it would benefit THEM!
 
This is where we get these ratification votes based on personal reasons as opposed to collective reasons...
 
Do I think the UA deal was good for US? Probably not... but I'm not UA... and I only care about US, and thus far, we haven't voted on anything. Even Nelson admitted that things would be NO DIFFERENT today regarding Section 6, had he been elected as the 141 President!

Your leadership supported the BS UAL agreement and you are now bitter about it and blame Tim and then go around saying what happens at UA doesn't impact US. On the other hand if the UA agreement was great you'd be talking about all the great leverage you have.The day UA agreement was ratified UAL stock was up nearly 6% so clearly investors believe the agreement will allow UA to contain costs.

It's mind boggling a union would willingly sell out their membership in that POS agreement with cinderella dates. What is the deal with the new LOA for small stations?

Maybe if you would look inside yourself and how your leadership failed rather than attacking Tim and others who disagree with you.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

 

At any rate, no candidate or current officer should do anything but show a clear rejection voice over any section 6 contract that leaves section 6 without confirming all current stations. No contract should offer more sick time, etc without confirming or enhancing scope for all currdnt stations. AH understands scope as the most sacred and it is about time our union does. No cinderella clauses after any ta.

^This^

 

[UnitedWeStand]

 
[SIZE=12pt]NMB Meeting Scheduled[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The National Mediation Board (NMB) has scheduled meetings between the principal representatives in the US Airways – IAM negotiations. The meetings are set for March 18 and 19, 2014 at the offices of the NMB in Washington, DC.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]While preparations continue for a proffer of arbitration, rejection of that proffer and the establishment of a 30-day cooling off period, we plan to attend the meetings. The IAM will enter these meetings skeptical that US Airways management has changed its position that US Airways employees must accept a second-class contract.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]The full negotiating committees from IAM Districts 141 and 142 will move their strike preparedness meetings to Washington, DC during that time in order to be responsive to the outcome of the meetings, whatever that outcome may be.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]All members must continue their full-throated support of their negotiating committees and their unwavering support of the fight to achieve fair contracts before entering any merger related activity between US Airways and American Airlines.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Your Union, your leaders and your negotiating committees will not accept second class status for our IAM members. And, as you have made clear, neither will you![/SIZE]
 

 
 
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought we filed for a proffer of Arbitration 8 months ago.

 

[rockit2]

Just to update everyone on the LOA for the stations that could be contracted out. If you remember the NC did a loa last year with the company agreeing to basically freeze all scope and remain at status quo until April of 2014. I'm happy to say that we just this week were able to extend that loa through April of 2015. Hopefully this will give us time to get an agreement to secure these stations in a new CBA.

Very nice, when will the hard copies get out or can it be printed from the internet. Wonder what they want in return for this? Thanks to the NC , BACK TO THE STRIKE...... I work in a station with less than 100 FSA, most are starting to cry about a strike, what action are we going to take against the scabs, I'd like to post it so they will know what's coming if they cross the line. Most af them are a female organ, and I'd like to whip their arses.

 

[WeAAsles]

Very nice, when will the hard copies get out or can it be printed from the internet. Wonder what they want in return for this? Thanks to the NC , BACK TO THE STRIKE...... I work in a station with less than 100 FSA, most are starting to cry about a strike, what action are we going to take against the scabs, I'd like to post it so they will know what's coming if they cross the line. Most af them are a female organ, and I'd like to whip their arses.

If you look at the History of US Major airline strikes within the last 20 years not counting the AMFA disaster of 2005 most have been relatively short lived. IF it were to be allowed to proceed to that point I'm 100% sure that it would be extremely short lived as well. What you should inform them is 2 fold. #1 the strike in it's design is for improvements meant to last them years. A day or three is a very small sacrifice to make for future gains. #2 you'll be fighting these comments "Well I have bills to pay or I just can't afford it" also the fear that a Strike can cost them their jobs permanently in their minds. First you have to inform them that you're all in the same boat when it comes to paying bills. Do they want to be ostrasized and hated by their co-workers for the rest of their careers? This is outside of whatever is under your union by-laws that could also be done to them. The second thing is understanding how the rules are governed under the RLA and NMB. There are built in protections under those mechanisms for legal Strikes that more often than not provide a safe return once the Strike is over. You should be well informed of those procedures prior to any job action by your communications dept and can convey all of those to your members to have them well educated and prepared.

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

 

[charlie Brown]

Well,my bad if he wasn't there.  Out of respect for others, I'll save my talk about credibility and the United contract endorsers. lol
 
While you are here, when you guys are formulating more questions and answers I think an important item may be the TWU commitment not to do our work if there is a strike, or answer the question if they have to.  The guys in ORD been bugging me about that one.  And the guys in CLT might need to hear if Piedmont can be used to do our work in CLT if called upon. I know Piedmont has a no sympathy in their agreement, and that our contract will be voided if we go out on strike, so if you could get some answers regarding how other union employees from other unions will Not be doing our work then that would make folks more knowledgeable and give greater solidarity. 
 
In solidarity,

Tim
Both good points and concerns to our members. We have pointed out the part in our contract where it states that wholly owned can not perform struck work. However we can also have a contract imposed on us. While I have my own opinion on both the TWU and wholly owned, we are waiting the answers from legal on both of these issues. We will let everyone know as soon as we here.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Josh
u raise some very valid points. This entire eboard has totally F over this craft by endorsing an anti union contract thay will do away with more jobs than any republican could ask for.

Unfortunately, there will always be those that can not answer direct questions about the united treason because they put politics and personal gain over the membership.

 

[WeAAsles]

Josh
u raise some very valid points. This entire eboard has totally F over this craft by endorsing an anti union contract thay will do away with more jobs than any republican could ask for.

Unfortunately, there will always be those that can not answer direct questions about the united treason because they put politics and personal gain over the membership.

Tim I was informed that you and Josh are one and the same. Looking back at some of the posts by both of you and comparing the writing style and some key points within, I have to agree with what I have been told. Those key points I noticed are unmistakable.

What you continue to rally against was a TA outside of your unit that was overwhelmingly (70%) accepted by that membership. It has no relevance to what you are trying to achieve within your work group and is a tactical manuever that you might want to consider abandoning for the sake of your agenda.

I just don't see it gaining traction or steam.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I was informed that you and Josh are one and the same. Looking back at some of the posts by both of you and comparing the writing style and some key points within, I have to agree with what I have been told. Those key points I noticed are unmistakable.
What you continue to rally against was a TA outside of your unit that was overwhelmingly (70%) accepted by that membership. It has no relevance to what you are trying to achieve within your work group and is a tactical manuever that you might want to consider abandoning for the sake of your agenda.
I just don't see it gaining traction or steam.

lol.
Seeing tim behind every bush, are you?
I think josh is well written and some think im jester as well. Both are well written with a vocabulary well beyond me.
Carry on!

 

[cltrat]

Tim I was informed that you and Josh are one and the same. Looking back at some of the posts by both of you and comparing the writing style and some key points within, I have to agree with what I have been told. Those key points I noticed are unmistakable.

What you continue to rally against was a TA outside of your unit that was overwhelmingly (70%) accepted by that membership. It has no relevance to what you are trying to achieve within your work group and is a tactical manuever that you might want to consider abandoning for the sake of your agenda.

I just don't see it gaining traction or steam.

You should probably reconsider your source if you believe Nelson and Josh are the same. I'll leave it at that.

 

[700UW]

Josh and Tim arent the same.
 
They might be in cahoots, but Inspector Clouseau investigated and they are not the same.

 

[WeAAsles]

Josh and Tim arent the same.
 
They might be in cahoots, but Inspector Clouseau investigated and they are not the same.

Well if they are not the same then they both seem to use the same pen and dip from the same ink well. I may have been pointed in the direction but it's the collective works of the two that I examined. There are some areas where it seems styles are purposely off from each other to mislead the viewer buy again I see some unmistakable points that lead this Sherlock to the same conclusion that the authors are one and the same?

It's also not as if this is a new tactic by Mr Nelson. He has had dealings with others within our group over the years you know. Most recently was his assistance to us during the IAM card drive where he was attempting to play both sides of the fence.

 

[737823]

Josh
u raise some very valid points. This entire eboard has totally F over this craft by endorsing an anti union contract thay will do away with more jobs than any republican could ask for.
Unfortunately, there will always be those that can not answer direct questions about the united treason because they put politics and personal gain over the membership.

People can keep saying what happens at UA is irrelevant but the fact is in this industry no one exists in a vacuum and what happens at one carrier has a wat of showing up in other carriers CBAs. Being in ORD you are very aware of and familiar with the structure of 141 and called every play along the way for United. You mentioned before you want to transfer to CLT, hopefully with the support you received at the US hubs in the DL elections you will get even more support when you spend time around more US employees.

Josh

 

[cltrat]

maybe you have the IAM communicator confused with Nelson he is well known for his use of multiple alias among other things.