2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[rockit2]

Thanks ROA. Too many people out there only read or care about the base wages when they make comparisons. Wish one day they could learn that a full contract has a lot of parts to it.

I'm not too keen on your non rev policy............

 

[700UW]

The IAM is the master of concessionary agreements. How long did they feed TWA concessions? Three rounds of concessions at US, concessions at UA while they are profitable, concessions at Hawaiian Airlines, etc.

And they have leaders like Roach, William O'Driscoll and Randy Canale who say the membership is "confused" rejecting concessions through democratic vote.

TWU is far from perfect but much better than the IAM.

Josh

Spreading lies again?
 
The IAM kept TWA in business, and the members approved the concessions, and they filed bankruptcy, how many times does the process have to be explained to you?
 
The TWU started concessions in 1983 with the B-Scale and in 1985 they came up with a C-Scale also.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/22320-history-of-b-scale/
 
Go educate yourself on Bankruptcy code Section 1113, maybe once and for all you might understand it and stop spreading lies, oh wait you wont.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation, because everyone knows you arent what you claim to be.
 
Oh and your buddy you keep posting about even admitted the TWU is the father of concessions with the b-scale:
 

Bob Owens posting April 14, 2011 to United Mechanics
 
“When do you guys get your ballots?
 
By the way I heard that the IBT was telling you guys that the TWU is only asking for $39/hr at AA and
only 1% would be getting that. Well that's not true.
 
Guys in high cost cities working nights with 20 years would be topping out at $43.96,(all in-but not CC) the majority, guys in low cost cities working days would be getting $39.83. CC premium would be an addition $2.75 on top of those figures, so a CC on nights in NY or California would be $46.71.
 
It’s all available at aa.twu.org, Compensation is Article 4. Article 47 has language that we borrowed and
modified from USAIR as far as extended negotiations. Automatic 3% after six months past amendable date and 3% every six months thereafter.
 
We can’t allow these airlines to jam concessions down our throats in a few months then drag out real
negotiations for years and not give retro, with the NMB allowing talks to drag out on average 3 or more
years we have to put in language to protect ourselves. The "thereafter" would be "industry leading", that was the first time those two words were spoken in nearly four years of negotiations!!
 
I know that we at AA have the reputation of being the industry leader in concessions, all the way back to the first to accept B-scale in 1983 but some of us are trying to change that and we need your help.
 
 

http://mechanicsforchange.com/files/truth_08.pdf

 

[roabilly]

Spreading lies again?
 
The IAM kept TWA in business, and the members approved the concessions, and they filed bankruptcy, how many times does the process have to be explained to you?
 
The TWU started concessions in 1983 with the B-Scale.
 
Go educate yourself on Bankruptcy code Section 1113, maybe once and for all you might understand it and stop spreading lies, oh wait you wont.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation, because everyone knows you arent what you claim to be.

These guys don’t recognize 1113-- they blame ALL of the concessions on the UNION!

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not too keen on your non rev policy............

Ok now that's something fair to talk about. I actually think it's fairer and I have 20 years. But I also think if it's a contractual item for you guys they can not violate that and expect you to win that arbitration. Our CS policy is also a lot less restrictive than your contract language. At one point it was close to being a free for all with how much you could work or take off. Honestly a lot of our part timers would probably have to quit if it was the way you guys do it from what I read. I think the company benefits more financially from it being less restrictive as more lowered paid people work for more senior paid ones by far here in MIA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Spreading lies again? The IAM kept TWA in business, and the members approved the concessions, and they filed bankruptcy, how many times does the process have to be explained to you? The TWU started concessions in 1983 with the B-Scale and in 1985 they came up with a C-Scale also. http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/22320-history-of-b-scale/ Go educate yourself on Bankruptcy code Section 1113, maybe once and for all you might understand it and stop spreading lies, oh wait you wont. Keep up the lies and misinformation, because everyone knows you arent what you claim to be. Oh and your buddy you keep posting about even admitted the TWU is the father of concessions with the b-scale: http://mechanicsforchange.com/files/truth_08.pdf

700 Cmon. Tim/Josh knows this very very very well. But to talk about it does not fit the AGENDA!!!!! Loki must spin to win.

 

[700UW]

Well I got very tired of joshie and his lies, now every time he post about concessions and the IAM, I can remind him he is lying as usual.
 
Like I have stated:
 
Dont let the facts get in your way!

 

[WeAAsles]

These guys don’t recognize 1113-- they blame ALL of the concessions on the UNION!

No they don't. They know. Tim/Josh just wants to sell it all as being the fault of the Union. Our guys were angry at first too but after awhile with good people like yourselves explaining things they get and got it. Trust me less people buy into the sold BS than you know.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well I got very tired of joshie and his lies, now every time he post about concessions and the IAM, I can remind him he is lying as usual. Like I have stated: Dont let the facts get in your way!

You should quote mine him/them more. It really drives Sybil batty. Copy/Paste/Mine like there's no tomorrow. You can see how he spells just to know you're under that skin and again its hilarious to watch.

 

[roabilly]

No they don't. They know. Tim/Josh just wants to sell it all as being the fault of the Union. Our guys were angry at first too but after awhile with good people like yourselves explaining things they get and got it. Trust me less people buy into the sold BS than you know.

I agree... the feedback I'm getting is that "Josh" will suffer another devastating defeat in June...

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree... the feedback I'm getting is that Josh will suffer another devastating defeat in June...

Yea but he'll never go away. Either he's a little fetched in the nogin or the company likes what he's doing and will keep him on? They pay guys like Nelson pretty well to trash talk the Unions here on social media.

You know if you have a girl friend and she's dating someone but you like her and want her yourself, how to get her? Undermine the guy. Nitpick everything bad she says about him. The game has worked for me. But then again the girl was never on to my crapola.

 

[robbedagain]

tim   how does buf be a class 2 if the ramp was outsourced

 

[Tim Nelson]

The IAM is the master of concessionary agreements. How long did they feed TWA concessions? Three rounds of concessions at US, concessions at UA while they are profitable, concessions at Hawaiian Airlines, etc.

And they have leaders like Roach, William O'Driscoll and Randy Canale who say the membership is "confused" rejecting concessions through democratic vote.

TWU is far from perfect but much better than the IAM.

Josh

Both havent shown or made any difference as members realize they arent getting their dues worth. Basically the unions have done a rather shitty job all the way across and refuse to take accountability. Usually they blame the republicans as kicking their ass too much or they blame the membership or blame those like myself who wants change.

One thing i learned the other day is that amrtwu has lav work. I suggest our nc move to secure that as well. The mx and 700 gave that work up so i say we try to pick it up like twu has it.

 

[700UW]

So what did AGW or FSU accomplish?
 
Gave work up?
 
You are truly clueless or just a pathological liar, an agreement was never reached and the CBA was abrogated, there were about 900 Utility system wide and over 6,000 mechanics, now who had the majority when it came to vote on the final offer that Judge Mitchell made us vote on?
 
And the TWU at AA outsourced cabin cleaning a long time ago, along with facilities cleaning.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So what did AGW or FSU accomplish?
 
Gave work up?
 
You are truly clueless or just a pathological liar, an agreement was never reached and the CBA was abrogated, there were about 900 Utility system wide and over 6,000 mechanics, now who had the majority when it came to vote on the final offer that Judge Mitchell made us vote on?
 
Iam didnt have their back. at any rate i dont want to rehash the slaughter, i just wanted to point out that since sAA has lav work that thats something our nc might want to consider.

 

[700UW]

Tim I was there and lived it you werent.
 
The offer we gave the company protected utility and actually increased it at the outstations, the company rejected the offer.
 
Judge Mitchell abrogated the CBA and made the IAM M&R Vote on the final offer, we as an NC never came to a consensus to give a recommendation, I voted NO and campaigned for a NO vote.
 
Why with the lies?
 
And both IAM M&R and Fleet still have ancillary duties in the respective CBAs with the ability for the company to outsource.
 
Do you know US ramp in PHX, DEN and other stations dump lavs on US planes, that is why there were around 80 or so Fleet that got ballots to vote in the raid last summer.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way!