2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

He is truly a minion.

 

[psa8979]

WOW ! Some people have way to much time on their hands. Most of the Yahoos who post on LCC Fleet Service Discussion AF have "no skin" in the outcome or clue about what they post. Some LCC IAM Brothers/Sisters it's political. Others its personal so they can't except reality and still trying to settle old/tired scores. Bottom line to ALL ! it's the LCC IAM Members now working for AAL who will decide. Opinions are like ass- holes everyone has one. Some of you posting on AF get a life or get some professional therapy. 

 

[Other People]

From my outside perch I'd say there will be a strike.  I think unions can make it happen but unions are pretty fearful of losing members now.  But the association agreement allows the IAM to have no risk in a strike, even if the strike proves unsuccessful. The way I read the association agreement, the IAM is locked in at certain locations as the representative in joint talks.   My .02

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-american-airlines-faces-labor-problems-20140319,0,251511.story#axzz2wbb3AisZ
 
A gripe that I do have is when the union says 'we are prepared to strike' before it has prepared and been approved by the members.  Who are they speaking for since a strike vote has not been taken, and no offer has been brought back?
 
The membership has really been kept in the dark, not only about negotiations, but also on processes. The appearance that the IAM portrays is that it is going to get its strike fairly soon. OTOH, history would suggest that the NMB isn't close to issuing a release. NY is right about that one. My gripe with NY is that he says it won't issue a release.  I'm uncomfortable suggesting what the Government will or won't do.   One thing for sure is that a single carrier application WILL get filed and the NMB WILL determine that this is a single airline in a few short months. Two things, either the IAM is playing a gambit, in which case the stakes could not be higher for an all or nothing approach, or the IAM is just pounding its chest due to political elections in IAM141 and IAM142 in a couple months. Based on recent IAM141 history, I'd say this whole thing may blow up on the IAM members after June.  Why the secrecy?  Why the refusal to inform the members?  Something seems wrong again.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok if it's as some people have been saying and AH has said he was done with negotiating and would not entertain any more discussions for coming to terms. Why did this article come out today?
 
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (TheStreet) -- Officials from US Airways and its largest union met with the National Mediation Board on Tuesday and Wednesday, and the two groups went home with vastly different interpretations of what the board might do next.
 
"Based on the meetings, we expect the NMB to schedule additional sessions to continue our discussions," said US Airways spokesman Bill McGlashen.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12537511/1/us-airways-union-seeking-equal-pay-with-american-awaits-strike-ruling.html

 

[700UW]

Its called Spin, and you do realize Ted Reed use to be a spokesperson for US?

 

[cltrat]

He is truly a minion.

if he thinks we're going to go straight to JCBA talks just to make them happy he truly is clueless. it's not gonna happen

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok if it's as some people have been saying and AH has said he was done with negotiating and would not entertain any more discussions for coming to terms. Why did this article come out today?
 
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (TheStreet) -- Officials from US Airways and its largest union met with the National Mediation Board on Tuesday and Wednesday, and the two groups went home with vastly different interpretations of what the board might do next.
 
"Based on the meetings, we expect the NMB to schedule additional sessions to continue our discussions," said US Airways spokesman Bill McGlashen.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12537511/1/us-airways-union-seeking-equal-pay-with-american-awaits-strike-ruling.html

This present stall in negotiations has been a joke.  Nothing happens, then after about two months of being on ice, the NMB calls the parties back into a room and watches.   Then puts them on ice another two months and it repeats itself.  Patience is key and things must proceed this way, but.....my biggest complaint is that the members have been placed in the dark as the IAM leaders have refused to share any proposals whatsoever. What is on the table?  What is the plan and process?  Will single carrier status screw this all up?  Contrary to contracts, why are our members being informed that there will be no single carrier application until a stand alone is ratified?
 
And, if wikileaks is accurate, ALL US AIRWAYS members, including the NC, don't even know since Delaney refused to allow any of them in the negotiations room this week.  There needs to be full disclosure and not just at the last minute.  What the hell is going on?   Something is wrong.  Inform the members and give the members full disclosure.  And it is thoroughly insulting that the IAM says "We"  when they haven't informed the members of one damn thing about the processes or what the hell is on the table. 

 

[NYer]

He was really hammering home that stock price on facebook.  Although the NMB doesn't make decisions based on stock price like he portrays, if it did, it would issue a release because the stock price has been off the charts. lol ...You want to portray yourself as an inteligent person but that statement is working against you. If the stock price is "off the charts," that is exactly why they wouldn't give a release and prevent that price from bottoming out. C'mon man. At least make an attempt.
 
The reality of the situation is that he has those stock options and he doesn't want to see the stock price go down. From his perspective I can understand why he insist for IAM members to just take what is on the table.

 
It is a shame that someone that wants to be a leader so misinforms those he wants to lead.
 
You will not find that I have ever "insisted" that IAM members "just take what is on the table." The entire conversation is about not relying on the NMB and a 30 day cooling off period in order to use that get a deal. If the IAM doesn't get released, then there has been a real waste of time and energy in a fruitless tactic.
 
You have a partner union member that is giving you insights from the last major case mediated by the NMB and hopefully that insight would be used to at least temper expectations. In contrast, the information is only dismissed. That dismissal doesn't affect me in any way, but it misleads those that it will affect.
 
The shares we received are meaningless and actually the way the distribution works, we would actually fare better in the long term in the stock price were to go down. That would mean we get more shares than what we may get currently. So that attempt to discredit the person rather than the information shared, is baseless. (good try though)

 

[NYer]

From my outside perch I'd say there will be a strike.  I think unions can make it happen but unions are pretty fearful of losing members now.  But the association agreement allows the IAM to have no risk in a strike, even if the strike proves unsuccessful. The way I read the association agreement, the IAM is locked in at certain locations as the representative in joint talks.   My .02

 
1...The Association agreement is no yet viable as it has not been voted on and it is not recognized by the NMB as a representative body in AAL.
 
2...Unions can't make it happen. The NMB makes it happen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You want a strong strike vote?  The surest way to getting a 100% strike vote is to bring back an absolute deplorable offer from the company and issue a reject recommendation. If the company only offered 1% [not even a quarter] then engage that offer with a membership rejection and use that offer to attain a strong strike vote as well.  A "Two for One'
 
I seriously doubt that AH wants that proposal to go out to the membership for a vote as he knows he will look like a moron, and the IAM can use it to fan the media, and God knows that the members will be incited like heck and totally pissed off with disrespect. It's time to put the bong down and engage the membership. AH is betting on the IAM just walking away and talking to third parties [media, etc].  Talk to the members ALREADY!  Get the members involved with these negotiations NOW.   If the company proposal is pathetically disrespectful, and it's safe to assume it is, then use that to show the members so the members can see and engage in this nonsense. Doesn't look like the IAM knows what it is doing or it may just be putting politics ahead of the members.  Engage the members, what's the delay!!!!!!!!

 

[psa8979]

Brother Tim the metaphor is called chess. Lets hope it's not checkers ? Good Luck with your crusade in June . Follow the $$$ Brothers /Sisters it usually leads one to the answers. Fish On !

 

[NYer]

if he thinks we're going to go straight to JCBA talks just to make them happy he truly is clueless. it's not gonna happen

 
After the June elections there are two paths that this can take, in my opinion.
 
1--The Association dissolves due to inaction and the TWU files for the Single Carrier Status. If that happens then we will be in a representational battle for years. That may put the IAM contract on the back burner.
 
2--The IAM is forced, coerced, tricked, pressured (whatever you want to call it) in voting for a final offer or a mutually agreed to TA with the focus turning onto the Joint talks getting started and bringing parity to the deals.

 

[NYer]

This present stall in negotiations has been a joke.  Nothing happens, then after about two months of being on ice, the NMB calls the parties back into a room and watches.   Then puts them on ice another two months and it repeats itself.  Patience is key and things must proceed this way, but.....my biggest complaint is that the members have been placed in the dark as the IAM leaders have refused to share any proposals whatsoever. What is on the table?  What is the plan and process?  Will single carrier status screw this all up?  Contrary to contracts, why are our members being informed that there will be no single carrier application until a stand alone is ratified?
 
And, if wikileaks is accurate, ALL US AIRWAYS members, including the NC, don't even know since Delaney refused to allow any of them in the negotiations room this week.  There needs to be full disclosure and not just at the last minute.  What the hell is going on?   Something is wrong.  Inform the members and give the members full disclosure.  And it is thoroughly insulting that the IAM says "We"  when they haven't informed the members of one damn thing about the processes or what the hell is on the table. 

 
The negotiations go as the NMB calls them to go....including who's in the room and who's not...what is shared and what is not.
 
Obviously, you're in a political cycle and part of the June elections, but trying to make issues out of things that the leadership (which would include you if you win) may not be allowed to share or control, is pretty partisan.

 

[WeAAsles]

You want a strong strike vote?  The surest way to getting a 100% strike vote is to bring back an absolute deplorable offer from the company and issue a reject recommendation. If the company only offered 1% [not even a quarter] then engage that offer with a membership rejection and use that offer to attain a strong strike vote as well.  A "Two for One'
 
I seriously doubt that AH wants that proposal to go out to the membership for a vote as he knows he will look like a moron, and the IAM can use it to fan the media, and God knows that the members will be incited like heck and totally pissed off with disrespect. It's time to put the bong down and engage the membership. AH is betting on the IAM just walking away and talking to third parties [media, etc].  Talk to the members ALREADY!  Get the members involved with these negotiations NOW.   If the company proposal is pathetically disrespectful, and it's safe to assume it is, then use that to show the members so the members can see and engage in this nonsense. Doesn't look like the IAM knows what it is doing or it may just be putting politics ahead of the members.  Engage the members, what's the delay!!!!!!!!

Crikey. I agree with almost everything you said here Tim. Looking at the UAL votes. The first one was put out and the membership showed what their feelings were for it by overwhelmingly rejecting it. A few months later a new TA was brought out which even though Tim disagrees had vast improvements on the first one. The membership then overwhelmingly accepted it.

Sometimes you have to put your faith in the membership to decide the next course of action and direction. Especially if you feel you may be coming to a stalemate.