2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[NYer]

No joke.  But the fact remains, give the members full disclosure and stop stroking the membership.  They have been stroking about an impasse for a year almost when all parties realize a release, if coming, from the NMB would be coming pretty darn quick if the NMB did it now.  There has been no official impasse.  Every two months the IAM gets iced along with the company, then more meetings are scheduled.  The company is fine with that strategy.  
When nothing happens, the IAM says strike.  That's fine, all I'm saying is to give the members full disclosure and to allow them to vote on the lousy offer and to vote on strike, NOW.  It makes no sense otherwise and it shows AH that the union simply does NOT trust the members.  If the company proposal is for only a couple dimes, then if you bring that back to the membership for a vote and ask for a rejection, you will get that.  No way does the company want the members to know that 2.5 years of negotiations has led up to a proposal for .20 cent pay raise.  AH is calling BS on the IAM, and if the IAM continues to not engage the membership then others will start calling BS as well.   It's pretty easy to play politics for personal gain by pounding the chest and claiming "Strike". 

 
Then you should have full disclosure also. It seems the play for you would be to have an agreement to vote on in order to give you fodder in order to enhance or maybe create some buzz for your elections.
 
Seems disingenuous.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Then you should have full disclosure also. It seems the play for you would be to have an agreement to vote on in order to give you fodder in order to enhance or maybe create some buzz for your elections.
 
Seems disingenuous.

huh? What fodder is there if the iam brings back a nasty company proposal and pushes and recommends a rejection?
I understand you are a real estate agent who has only political aspirations within the twu but if you took politics out of it, you would see alot clearer. You are only one of the growing list of scammers who post on this board and will never have to work under this iam contract.

Keep telling yourself that the nmb issues releases based on stock prices. Sheesh

 

[WeAAsles]

So Tim are you saying right here, right now on this forum that you would support the NC bringing back the last offer from the company to let the members decide the next course in the negotiations? That would be without attacking those who put it in your hands and only disseminating a TA on it's merits or lack.

That would mean you have to put your own personal political aspirations on the side for the betterment of the members you want to represent. Are you prepared to do that?

 

[WeAAsles]

"There’s no question that prolonged labor talks are exasperating for the employees, and the nature of airline labor negotiations is that they drag on and on with no real deadline. Many would cite that as a primary weakness in the Railway Labor Act, which governs labor relations in both the rail and airline industries.
We would get quite excited if we thought an IAM strike at US Airways was likely in the near future. But that’s not our evaluation of the situation:"

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/why-we-didnt-get-excited-yet-about-the-iam-strike-threats.html/

 

[roabilly]

So Tim are you saying right here, right now on this forum that you would support the NC bringing back the last offer from the company to let the members decide the next course in the negotiations? That would be without attacking those who put it in your hands and only disseminating a TA on it's merits or lack.

That would mean you have to put your own personal political aspirations on the side for the betterment of the members you want to represent. Are you prepared to do that?

I think he should follow your advice!
 
Further, if he admits he was wrong because he was on a political rant... and publicly apologizes for calling me a liar, moron, drunk, pot-smoker, and Kool-aid drinker etc.... I will no longer bust his balls every page...
 
How bout it Tim, I was man enough to apologize to Rat...

 

[roabilly]

"There’s no question that prolonged labor talks are exasperating for the employees, and the nature of airline labor negotiations is that they drag on and on with no real deadline. Many would cite that as a primary weakness in the Railway Labor Act, which governs labor relations in both the rail and airline industries.
We would get quite excited if we thought an IAM strike at US Airways was likely in the near future. But that’s not our evaluation of the situation:"

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/why-we-didnt-get-excited-yet-about-the-iam-strike-threats.html/

If I had a crystal ball... I would say a PEB is a real possibility!
 
"If either side rejects the proffer, the NMB would start a 30-day clock ticking. If the cooling-off period ends without a deal, either side could engage in self help. There’s also a possibility that the president would appoint a Presidential Emergency Board, as Clinton did to quickly stop the American Airlines pilot strike of 1997. That would suspend a strike until the board finishes its investigation and issues its recommendations."

 

[NYer]

huh? What fodder is there if the iam brings back a nasty company proposal and pushes and recommends a rejection?
I understand you are a real estate agent who has only political aspirations within the twu but if you took politics out of it, you would see alot clearer. You are only one of the growing list of scammers who post on this board and will never have to work under this iam contract.

Keep telling yourself that the nmb issues releases based on stock prices. Sheesh

 
Fodder created by you saying the IAM should bring back a proposal and let the members vote on it....while at the SAME time criticizing them for potentially bringing something back that is substandard in your opinion. Can't have both.
 
Or in your case, you can.....because it feeds the fodder you try to create in order to gain in your political aspirations.
 
Nice trick, but way too transparent.

 

[WeAAsles]

Cowen’s Helane Becker and Conor Cunningham call the mechanics’ request “mostly posturing.” They explain why:

We believe the statements by the IAM are mostly posturing to attempt to gain control of the combined labor group when American and US Airways are combined…We believe any strike is highly unlikely in the near term, and we would continue to remain a buyer of the shares.

http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2014/03/21/american-airlines-mechanics-want-to-strike-cowens-still-a-buyer/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo

 

[Tim Nelson]

Fodder created by you saying the IAM should bring back a proposal and let the members vote on it....while at the SAME time criticizing them for potentially bringing something back that is substandard in your opinion. Can't have both.
 
Or in your case, you can.....because it feeds the fodder you try to create in order to gain in your political aspirations.
 
Nice trick, but way too transparent.

if they bring back a substandard agreement and dont recommend a rejection and dont push for a rejection, then myself and others would be pissed. Things are a mess due to politics. Hopefully, things clear up after the end of april when the intl election is ovet.

Im not yhe one playing politics, the iam leaders are.

Lets see how many more months we are iced by the nmb and the iam doesnt even push for a strike vote.

 

[NYer]

if they bring back a substandard agreement and dont recommend a rejection and dont push for a rejection, then myself and others would be pissed. Things are a mess due to politics. Hopefully, things clear up after the end of april when the intl election is ovet.

Im not yhe one playing politics, the iam leaders are.

Lets see how many more months we are iced by the nmb and the iam doesnt even push for a strike vote.

 
The NMB will explicitly explain that they are not to give a negative recommendation.
 
A strike vote is irrelevant if the NMB doesn't release the parties.
 
They may even go into a nice little stroll down mediation memory lane and tell the negotiators that usually the first offer is the best offer. That may or may not be true, but while facing the NMB it is illogical to have them on your bad side since they control the dates, times and place of the negotiations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The NMB will explicitly explain that they are not to give a negative recommendation.
 
A strike vote is irrelevant if the NMB doesn't release the parties.
 
They may even go into a nice little stroll down mediation memory lane and tell the negotiators that usually the first offer is the best offer. That may or may not be true, but while facing the NMB it is illogical to have them on your bad side since they control the dates, times and place of the negotiations.

A strike vote ahead of time helps build leverage. The iam is saying they are prepared to strike without a strike vote. I know you are naive on this but unions will often have strike votes as a sign of solidarity and as a sign to management that the union has the support of its members. Management needs to see this as well but more importantly the technique is used to bring about even more solidarity.

The iam is free to recommend an acceptance or rejection of any contract. It isnt the twu and it doesnt sign full blown agreements without democratic votes.

What i have said contrast the current leadership. Engage the membership.

 

[700UW]

 
The NMB will explicitly explain that they are not to give a negative recommendation.
 
A strike vote is irrelevant if the NMB doesn't release the parties.
 
They may even go into a nice little stroll down mediation memory lane and tell the negotiators that usually the first offer is the best offer. That may or may not be true, but while facing the NMB it is illogical to have them on your bad side since they control the dates, times and place of the negotiations.

The NMB cannot tell the IAM not to give a negative recommendation, where are you coming up with this BS?
 
We have voted down two CBAs in the past while in a 30 day cooling off period with giving a NO vote recommendation.
 
You are truly amazing with coming up with BS.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The NMB cannot tell the IAM not to give a negative recommendation, where are you coming up with this BS?
 
We have voted down two CBAs in the past while in a 30 day cooling off period with giving a NO vote recommendation.
 
You are truly amazing with coming up with BS.

he doesnt know what he is talking about.

 

[700UW]

That is quite apparent.
 
Wonder why a TWU person is on the US Fleet thread spreading misinformation.

 

[737823]

What are the implications for the alliance on US negotiations?

Josh