2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

I would have tried to agree to more time than what the iam agreed to regarding stand alone talks. Im uncomfortable with the deadline of single carrier. Now, it is what it is. That said, unless there was an "off the record" nmb note promising a release, i wouldnt be issuing ultimatums to AH. There isnt any need for ultimatums, doesnt mean anyone caves in just means that you keep the door open to consider everything that may be on the table. Ultimatums usually polarize talks and things come off the table as we have witnessed here.

According to P Rez... there was nothing "on the table" to begin with! Apparently, the N/C did not see a need to "keep the door open" any longer... it's been open for over three years!
 
CB offered you his position on the N/C, and you declined. That would have been an excellent way for you to prove your abilities to change course. My bet is, regardless of the direction or outcome of these talks or JCBA, you will criticize the N/C and the Leadership for what transpires... after all... you have nothing to lose... and 100k a year to gain!

 

[Tim Nelson]

According to P Rez... there was nothing "on the table" to begin with! Apparently, the N/C did not see a need to "keep the door open" any longer... it's been open for over three years!
 
CB offered you his position on the N/C, and you declined. That would have been an excellent way for you to prove your abilities to change course. My bet is, regardless of the direction or outcome of these talks or JCBA, you will criticize the N/C and the Leadership for what transpires... after all... you have nothing to lose... and 100k a year to gain!

i have alot to lose if we get $0 as what may happen, not sure what you are talking about. You have nothing to lose from your retirement porch though.

Whatever the case, its not important if i dont like a ta that comes out that i personally may or may not vote for. What is important is that whoever is negotiating to knock off the ultimatums and move into a position where real negotiations can be ascertained and a fair agreement can be reached so our members can vote on it.

The iam has said that each company proposal has got worse and worse as we get closer to single carrier. 700 even posted a picket sign a few pages back that said that.

The problem is that this whole process has incited into one big ultimatum where AH has decided to just tap out of. Folks want to continue the path of ultimatums then they should vote for the incumbants and vote against me. If im a agc elect, ill push hard to open the door to listening and to put ultimatums aside.
polar opposites isnt going to settle any contract but it could come with the cost of wages and scope.

 

[Tim Nelson]

OK... fair enough.... so what is this "better way" you speak of... how would you have played this?
 
Keep in mind that your predictions of doom have NOT occurred, you are projecting these events for the future...

and btw i already told u what else i would have done. I would have taken AH ridiculous 1% proposal and exploited it and dragged it in the streets and used it to incite a strong strike vote. That, under the current conditions of ultimatums. But regardless, ultimatums = stalemates and stalls.

Work towards fascilitating productive discussions and put the political bong down.

 

[robbedagain]

Tim  as far as that 1% offer that AH proposed  I do agree it should be exploited and sent out with a Strike Vote and when the tally comes in  AH would be the one with the red face and be like  "cant belive they shot it down and the strike vote is beyond"  may be that is what is needed to wake their sorry arses up  
 
How the flip can they offer AA wages  and f..k the US folks with UNFAIRWAYS Wages     
 
there was an email sent out just this past week or late last week that sure seemed to indicate that the NMB might be on the verge of releasing either one or both groups given how those filthy rotten donkeys REFUSE to negogiate    But those same donkeys are counting on the NMB to not release us

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim  as far as that 1% offer that AH proposed  I do agree it should be exploited and sent out with a Strike Vote and when the tally comes in  AH would be the one with the red face and be like  "cant belive they shot it down and the strike vote is beyond"  may be that is what is needed to wake their sorry arses up  
 
How the flip can they offer AA wages  and f..k the US folks with UNFAIRWAYS Wages     
 
there was an email sent out just this past week or late last week that sure seemed to indicate that the NMB might be on the verge of releasing either one or both groups given how those filthy rotten donkeys REFUSE to negogiate    But those same donkeys are counting on the NMB to not release us

like i said, i think the wages and scope are very doable but it appears that AH believes the proposal is in concrete shoes and sunk with another half dozen attachments that are part of the ultimatum.
Actually, the reality is that we really dont know what happened in negotiations other than second hand reports because sito and tommy wouldnt allow any usairways guys in negotiations from what i understand.

 

[roabilly]

and btw i already told u what else i would have done. I would have taken AH ridiculous 1% proposal and exploited it and dragged it in the streets and used it to incite a strong strike vote. That, under the current conditions of ultimatums. But regardless, ultimatums = stalemates and stalls.

Work towards fascilitating productive discussions and put the political bong down.

So... you would take a preemptive STRIKE vote, while on the other hand, you criticize the current leadership for issuing ultimatums! Earth to Nelson... a Strike Vote is the strongest ultimatum that could possibly be sent!
 
WOW... you flip back and forth, waffle, and say so much bullshit, even you can’t keep track of it!

 

[Tim Nelson]

So... you would take a preemptive STRIKE vote, while on the other hand, you criticize the current leadership for issuing ultimatums! Earth to Nelson... a Strike Vote is the strongest ultimatum that could possibly be sent!
 
WOW... you flip back and forth, waffle, and say so much bullshit, even you cant keep track of it!

Yes i would get the strike vote in the bag preemptive as preparations. Thats clear contrast to the nc which tells the media that we are prepared to strike but havent done a strike vote or even bothered showing anyone what proposal we are striking over. In fact, not one usairways member even knows firsthand since they were told they couldnt even go into negotiations. Who is jerking who off here?

 

[Tim Nelson]

So... you would take a preemptive STRIKE vote, while on the other hand, you criticize the current leadership for issuing ultimatums! Earth to Nelson... a Strike Vote is the strongest ultimatum that could possibly be sent!
 
WOW... you flip back and forth, waffle, and say so much bullshit, even you can’t keep track of it!

a strike vote isnt the strongest ultimatum, a strike is. Dont get them confused and dont confuse rights of self help with negotiation ultimatums that polarize positions.

I know one thing, almost 3 years and all the other groups havent had problems getting contracts, same thing at united. Something better change cuz timelines are approaching.

 

[Tim Nelson]

According to P Rez... there was nothing "on the table" to begin with! Apparently, the N/C did not see a need to "keep the door open" any longer... it's been open for over three years!
 
CB offered you his position on the N/C, and you declined. That would have been an excellent way for you to prove your abilities to change course. My bet is, regardless of the direction or outcome of these talks or JCBA, you will criticize the N/C and the Leadership for what transpires... after all... you have nothing to lose... and 100k a year to gain!

CB has no authority to offer me anything. I said any such offer would have to come from delaney. Delaney never offered so there was never any discussion or considering by me.

 

[700UW]

http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/03/27/iam-pickets-us-airways/
 

At Boston’s Logan Airport, current Massachusetts Secretary Receiver-General and candidate for governor Steve Grossman walked the picket line with IAM workers.
 
"I was proud to stand in solidarity with the men and women from Machinists Local 1726 this afternoon," said Grossman. "These workers deserve a fair contract that pays fair wages with fair benefits, and I will stand with them every day as governor."
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/03/27/iam-pickets-us-airways/#sthash.Il1gS4eL.AcVtMINZ.dpuf

 

[robbedagain]

proud to see that its getting positive attention   now if only those pricks from ah and dp could truly see it

 

[ograc]

 
http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/03/27/iam-pickets-us-airways/
 

At Boston’s Logan Airport, current Massachusetts Secretary Receiver-General and candidate for governor Steve Grossman walked the picket line with IAM workers.
 
"I was proud to stand in solidarity with the men and women from Machinists Local 1726 this afternoon," said Grossman. "These workers deserve a fair contract that pays fair wages with fair benefits, and I will stand with them every day as governor."
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/03/27/iam-pickets-us-airways/#sthash.Il1gS4eL.AcVtMINZ.dpuf
 

Great to see we have the support of politicians and a candidate for governor.Not too sure what good it will do but great to see. 

 

[737823]

http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/03/27/iam-pickets-us-airways/
 

At Boston’s Logan Airport, current Massachusetts Secretary Receiver-General and candidate for governor Steve Grossman walked the picket line with IAM workers.
 
"I was proud to stand in solidarity with the men and women from Machinists Local 1726 this afternoon," said Grossman. "These workers deserve a fair contract that pays fair wages with fair benefits, and I will stand with them every day as governor."
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2014/03/27/iam-pickets-us-airways/#sthash.Il1gS4eL.AcVtMINZ.dpuf

It's convenient for him to say he supports you guys but I assure you he was there for his own political interests.

Josh

 

[Rook]

I support the information picket but really don't think the traveling public cares as long as they get from point A to point B with their bags and on time.
IMO we should hold a rally at the NMB office on why we can't get released!

 

[737823]

HY DOOSH I JUS
GOT MY FLYN
PRIVLEG BACK!
ILL COME DOWN 
TO HANG WIT U!

When are you coming to MIA? We can go to Gulfstream and hang!

Josh