2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

Sharing the union's proposals would help to build their credibility. There is already a range of emotions, opinions and comments on these pages. The only party undermining efforts at reaching an agreement is the company. I disagree that the union sharing the latest proposals with the membership would give more leverage to the company. Unless those very proposals would be viewed as inferior by the membership. If that were the case; you're right. The best strategy is to keep it secret. When proposals, or any issues for that matter, are shrouded in secrecy it tends to raise suspicion and erode solidarity. Transparency minimizes the spread of misinformation. I think the membership is entitled to know exactly what the NC is proposing. Especially, this late in the game. They are, after all, representing the membership.

Ok but everyone has a different metric for what they want or what they'd accept and if you publicize where you're at in negotiations at this moment you open it up to criticism for why they should or shouldn't accept the proposal. That could create a distraction for your NC to be able to finish the direction, emphasis or strategy they currently are engaged in. It could also create division among the negotiators as some of their members may implore them in a direction that would take away from a unified front?

I think that you would prefer and probably be better off for them to stay focused to the task at hand which of course as always will reach a conclusion at some point.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok but everyone has a different metric for what they want or what they'd accept and if you publicize where you're at in negotiations at this moment you open it up to criticism for why they should or shouldn't accept the proposal. That could create a distraction for your NC to be able to finish the direction, emphasis or strategy they currently are engaged in. It could also create division among the negotiators as some of their members may implore them in a direction that would take away from a unified front?
I think that you would prefer and probably be better off for them to stay focused to the task at hand which of course as always will reach a conclusion at some point.

things should conclude one way or the other soon. The only way we get a release is if management doesnt come up on its offer. In a twisted way, that may be what fleet wants so the nmb can give a green light. If it happens at all then i think we will see it happen in april. Obviously management is setting itself up with risk as well.


This nmb has ruled favorably twice for the iam in 3 short years. The last nmb ruling in favor of the iam went against its own mediator ruling at united. The nmb is a political machine and always has been, things couldnt be any better for the iam as far as having the right nmb. Is it "right enuf?" Dunno but we will find out before june.

 

[ograc]

Ok but everyone has a different metric for what they want or what they'd accept and if you publicize where you're at in negotiations at this moment you open it up to criticism for why they should or shouldn't accept the proposal. That could create a distraction for your NC to be able to finish the direction, emphasis or strategy they currently are engaged in. It could also create division among the negotiators as some of their members may implore them in a direction that would take away from a unified front?

I think that you would prefer and probably be better off for them to stay focused to the task at hand which of course as always will reach a conclusion at some point.

It's way too late in the game for the NC to allow members to implore them in a different direction. The membership pays dues for representation. They are entitled to know, at this stage of negotiations, exactly what the NC has proposed. Then, if ever, we see exactly what the company is proposing the membership wil appreciate the difference. This is what builds solidarity going forward. IMO.. keeping the membership in the dark and withholding information from the membership is not a good strategy. It provides fertile ground to the belief and argument that there are hidden agendas. The UA agreement is a fresh wound. An example of how a membership can be quickly lead into the buzzsaw. No disclosure of detailed proposals were provided to the members at UA either. It was delay, delay, delay... TA with a highlight sheet. We all see how that is going. IMO.. for the sake of a stronger solidified front; it's time for transparency! It's time the membership is fully informed!   

 

[Tim Nelson]

It's way too late in the game for the NC to allow members to implore them in a different direction. The membership pays dues for representation. They are entitled to know, at this stage of negotiations, exactly what the NC has proposed. Then, if ever, we see exactly what the company is proposing the membership wil appreciate the difference. This is what builds solidarity going forward. IMO.. keeping the membership in the dark and withholding information from the membership is not a good strategy. It provides fertile ground to the belief and argument that there are hidden agendas. The UA agreement is a fresh wound. An example of how a membership can be quickly lead into the buzzsaw. No disclosure of detailed proposals were provided to the members at UA either. It was delay, delay, delay... TA with a highlight sheet. We all see how that is going. IMO.. for the sake of a stronger solidified front; it's time for transparency! It's time the membership is fully informed!

It is called Trust.

 

[WeAAsles]

The UA agreement is a fresh wound. An example of how a membership can be quickly lead into the buzzsaw. No disclosure of detailed proposals were provided to the members at UA either. It was delay, delay, delay... TA with a highlight sheet. We all see how that is going. IMO..

I have to be honest here in saying that I saw that highlight sheet that came out before the full CBA language and I didn't think that was the right way to introduce the document as a whole. It was manipulative in it's presentation and alluded praise and many of my members were touting it all over our ramps and on social media before those of us who are engaged read the full language and were able to explain what it would mean to them if it were implemented as our CBA.

I don't think that is the right thing to do with a unions membership who are unfortunately not quite as either initiated or engaged as some of us are. I'm not debating the merits of that contract for the UAL folks but I hope that I never see something like that ever again.

 

 

[700UW]

During the IBT raid, Fleet had meetings all over the system while the raid was going on for M&R and they informed the members on the talks and what was being asked for and they are asking for a two year bridge agreement.
 
I am not Fleet and I know that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

During the IBT raid, Fleet had meetings all over the system while the raid was going on for M&R and they informed the members on the talks and what was being asked for and they are asking for a two year bridge agreement.
 
I am not Fleet and I know that.

Yeah but it doesnt make sense a two year bridge agreement if joint talks usually take 3-5 years. Imo the iam always goes for short term contracts because of politics every two years.

We are in negotiations constantly.

 

[WeAAsles]

Thought this might interest some of you guys? This is an example that both sides should learn to run a truly successful business.
 
"When we got into a really tough period, I sat down with Ron and I said, 'You have to help me save the Ford Motor Company so we didn't have to go through bankruptcy, so we didn't have to get a federal bailout,'" Ford said. "And he did that."
Ford credited the union with helping his company regain a foothold in the North American market. He added that the UAW helped the entire industry "get back on its feet."


"Those employees helped pull the auto company "through the dark days," Ford added."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101529786
 

 

[jet job]

Nelson spouting off again... Claims to have a master level education on his resume, I gotta ask what institution? He can't even understand the contract protections over here at united. Easy for a guy that has a record of pulling out when the going gets tough. Any contract that comes back won't be good enough in his mind. The updates the NC has been putting out are good and I'm glad you guys are solid over at USA but it is because of current leaders and the members have a common goal to achieve fairness.

 

[jet job]

It's way too late in the game for the NC to allow members to implore them in a different direction. The membership pays dues for representation. They are entitled to know, at this stage of negotiations, exactly what the NC has proposed. Then, if ever, we see exactly what the company is proposing the membership wil appreciate the difference. This is what builds solidarity going forward. IMO.. keeping the membership in the dark and withholding information from the membership is not a good strategy. It provides fertile ground to the belief and argument that there are hidden agendas. The UA agreement is a fresh wound. An example of how a membership can be quickly lead into the buzzsaw. No disclosure of detailed proposals were provided to the members at UA either. It was delay, delay, delay... TA with a highlight sheet. We all see how that is going. IMO.. for the sake of a stronger solidified front; it's time for transparency! It's time the membership is fully informed!

Fresh wound.
$ 27.00 an hr 100% sick pay etc cut me a little more

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson spouting off again... Claims to have a master level education on his resume, I gotta ask what institution? He can't even understand the contract protections over here at united. Easy for a guy that has a record of pulling out when the going gets tough. Any contract that comes back won't be good enough in his mind. The updates the NC has been putting out are good and I'm glad you guys are solid over at USA but it is because of current leaders and the members have a common goal to achieve fairness.

Let's hope the US AIRWAYS members get more than the $0 goose-egg you guys ended up getting when you botched your pre-joint contract negotiations.  It's not important what I think we should get, as much as it is important to get what the membership expects.
 
Carry on

 

[jet job]

Nelson your laughable and a joke to working people. No one really takes your half baked logic seriously. Maybe you should rekindle your AGW , that's right you quit that too. Carry on.

 

[jet job]

Writing of goose eggs, Nelson what is your record? 0 zero a record of nothing but losing and quitting. I know your record and so does everyone in the ready rooms across the system.

You still didn't answer what institution issued you a masters level, perhaps you could cut and paste it here for all of to see. Another Nelson lie me thinks.

 

[cltrat]

Fresh wound.
$ 27.00 an hr 100% sick pay etc cut me a little more

well look what persona has crawled from under a rock ...lol  I guess that 27 is good for those still around to get it.......idiot

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Hey,where's "Ratify Now" and the rest of the band?

Speaking of "Fresh Wounds",how many stations have been outsourced and how many FT'ers have been broken to PT since this "Fresh Wound" was inflicted?