2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[robbedagain]

their present position is the exact pre joint contract position at united when they played politics and talked tough but ended up polarizing talks and walking away from 12% pay boost, medical, and job security.

Not surprisingly, it is looking more and more like the same result will happen at usairways. AH doesnt seem to mind due to the inevitable conclusion of stand alone talks as Team Delaney already has a signeddeal to only negotiate "until" single carrier which wont possibly be anytime after september assuming even a built in delay resolution process.

I keep asking roabilly what the plan B is if there is no release? Deaf ears so ask yourself why?

Also ask yourself why AH keeps offering less and less as we continue to approach timelines.

Are you prepared to walk into joint talks with $0 then spend another 5 years with $0???

This nc team has managed to polarize everything just like at united. It isnt that management at ua and us have a vendetta against the iam but rather you have Team Delaney putting politics above the membership

did you ever stop to think that may be  just may be AH wants to see how much longer the NMB f..ks around with delaying the RELEASE  to see if he can manipulate any one or more of our NC team into signing a sh!tty contract similar to UAL?
But what will be funnier than he!! is if say the NMB rules in favor of the IAM both groups and releases us  into a 30 day coolin off period  then either his face will be beat red from alcohol drinking or high on dope and then he will have to figure how to get labor peace.
 
even the dispatchers for US  and AE pilots feel left behind bec of what those filthy monkeys did behind backs just to get the merger thru  
 
Its all about their ego God help them they dont want that to get ruined...   As far as im concerned  they can take their egos and stuff it where the sun dont shine
 
LOCK N LOAD

 

[mike33]

Mike,
 
You will not get a straight answer from Tim. He will only reply because "I" know the law, because "I" know how it works, Because "I" told you guys already what "IS" going to happen. Who is playing politics here. It all about what Tim can deliver, and so far he aint delivered crap. Heck he is even unwilling to work for us by joining the NC, taking CB's seat on the NC. Why, because he hates delaney, and he doesn't want to have everybody see that he can't deliver what he promises. But then it will not be his fault though, it will be somebody else's fault. Delaney will get the blame because he can't deliver on his promises.

  I think you are right. The direction arrow points " one way ". it's been 2 hrs

 

[Tim Nelson]

Mike,
 
You will not get a straight answer from Tim. He will only reply because "I" know the law, because "I" know how it works, Because "I" told you guys already what "IS" going to happen. Who is playing politics here. It all about what Tim can deliver, and so far he aint delivered crap. Heck he is even unwilling to work for us by joining the NC, taking CB's seat on the NC. Why, because he hates delaney, and he doesn't want to have everybody see that he can't deliver what he promises. But then it will not be his fault though, it will be somebody else's fault. Delaney will get the blame because he can't deliver on his promises.

cb doesnt have the authority to assign me on negotiations. At any rate, everything i have actually said doesnt have a damn thing to do with me.

You know full well that the twu signed a contract that demands that they MUST file single carrier by june 9 AND support it (exact words in the contract) OR otherwise have it resolved 30 days later by an arbitrated decision.
That contract doesnt have a damn thing to do with Tim Nelson.

AND, read the association agreement..."..the iam will negotiate a stand alone contract UNTIL the nmb rules on a single carrier.

What you have done, sir, is called the iam a liar, have suggested that AH is an idiot and that company attorneys dont know basic law, you have just accused an arbitrator of intentionally violating a timeline (item 9)....why? Just so you can basically call me a dick.

What has in fact happened to date is that the company has offered less and less, because unlike you, they could care less who wins the iam election and they dont seem to be humored by politics.

 

[charlie Brown]

Had a busy month so haven't been able to post for awhile so had quiet a bit of reading to do. But some of you guys are going to have to enlighten me. How can some of you claim that we definitely need to stand strong in section 6 just a few short weeks ago because that's where our leverage is. And now be calling out that you want to see a plan B?? How to you expect to make a stand and stand firm if at the same time your talking about seeing a plan B. Wow!!!! This amazes me!! Tell AH we are standing strong, but oh yeah by the way Al. Just in case you don't believe that we will stand firm, here is our plan B offer. I'm sure if we negotiated like that, he would give us exactly what we were standing firm for.

 

[WeAAsles]

Had a busy month so haven't been able to post for awhile so had quiet a bit of reading to do. But some of you guys are going to have to enlighten me. How can some of you claim that we definitely need to stand strong in section 6 just a few short weeks ago because that's where our leverage is. And now be calling out that you want to see a plan B?? How to you expect to make a stand and stand firm if at the same time your talking about seeing a plan B. Wow!!!! This amazes me!! Tell AH we are standing strong, but oh yeah by the way Al. Just in case you don't believe that we will stand firm, here is our plan B offer. I'm sure if we negotiated like that, he would give us exactly what we were standing firm for.

I wouldn't be too concerned about all this CB. A few characters on any social media page isn't going to guage the full pulse of over 5000 members. If management thinks it does then they're hopelessly clueless and disengaged from the actual realities.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
I just read the Association agreement. I couldn't find where it states that section six talks cease after single carrier status. Are you spinning again? And yes you are a d#@k.

 

[Tim Nelson]

How can you say that it is " So Matter of Fact "..  I told you on this board that from the horses mouth. The ASSOCIATION files. The lawyers for both TWU and IAM i've been told have looked at all of this. So tell me whom i should believe?...... You or Them. !   That is an honest question and deserves an honest answer. Not a tangent

The twu is obligated. AH doesnt care if the rwu or the association files the single carrier as long as whoever files it also supports the single carrier as it is written.

Im not asking you to rent your brain out to me or an attorney, read the contract and try to understand. CRIPES! Im trying to get you to realize the inevitable truth yet you continually bust my balls.

Then you guys wonder why united members voted in a terrible contract? They werent stupid, yhe iam filled the room up with so much sh*t and then busted my balls on the official website.

There is a reason why i was one of only 5 agc candidates that got endorsed by the 8 united hubs and there was a reason why most every Team Delaney candidate couldnt nor even win their home nomination.

Was it because i bs the united people? Of course not, it was because Team Delaney lied.

Even pj and roa got on my arse about united but then clammed up when their boys F over all the united rampers. Both roa and pj know the united contract sucks and that ALL from their team endorsed it but they want folks to think that somehow Team Delaney is going to turn a new leaf and learn from the error of their ways.

The timelines are real. Believe what you want though.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
I just read the Association agreement. I couldn't find where it states that section six talks cease after single carrier status. Are you spinning again? And yes you are a d#@k.

Calling me a dick may very well be the most intelligent i heard you say today.

Its not for me to say but you may be right about me being a dick.

As for the non personal chatter, go to the association q and a part one under the title "negotiation".

"...until single carrier".

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim,
I just read the Association agreement. I couldn't find where it states that section six talks cease after single carrier status. Are you spinning again? And yes you are a d#@k.

It does not say anywhere in our agreement that section 6 talks are to be or will be abandoned. I do not know if there are any NMB rules that state that JCBA talks must commence after the filing has been approved?

The association also has the ability to modify or change any agreements until it is voted on by the membership.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
 
The truth is that even though the UA contract sucked ba##s, the UA folks voted it in, heck in the station I work in, they were told EXACTLY what could/probably will happen, and they voted for it. So even though they were FULLY informed, they chose to vote yes, for whatever reason. And keep talking about getting the endorsements from UA dominated locals, you are just trying to ride to their coattails to get into office, because you can't get the US votes, and you know this. But I digress, where does it state that section six talks stop at SCS? It does not. Please show me the vebage that states what you say in the association agrement. And be honest, you don't want to be on the NC, even if RD asked you personally, because you would rather talk sh%t instead of trying to put your idea into real world action, and fail miserably.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
 
Just read the Q & A on negotiations. I have to disagree on section six talks cease. It states that the IAM and TWU will work together for a JCBA, your reading into it what you want and trying to convince the masses your right. I aint buying it.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
 
In the same section you qoute, why don't you use the whole thing. It also states that "the IAM's position is that USAirways must fulfill its bargaining responsibilities with the IAM BEFORE JCBA talks begin". Did you purposely leave that part out?

 

[roabilly]

I wouldn't be too concerned about all this CB. A few characters on any social media page isn't going to guage the full pulse of over 5000 members. If management thinks it does then they're hopelessly clueless and disengaged from the actual realities.

You are correct... in the last election, if you read Nelson's and his faux supporter replies, you would have thought he would have won by a landslide. Truth is... he finished LAST! When he came to CLT for his one one with the Members, only a few people showed up, and they reamed him a new one!

 

[roabilly]

Had a busy month so haven't been able to post for awhile so had quiet a bit of reading to do. But some of you guys are going to have to enlighten me. How can some of you claim that we definitely need to stand strong in section 6 just a few short weeks ago because that's where our leverage is. And now be calling out that you want to see a plan B?? How to you expect to make a stand and stand firm if at the same time your talking about seeing a plan B. Wow!!!! This amazes me!! Tell AH we are standing strong, but oh yeah by the way Al. Just in case you don't believe that we will stand firm, here is our plan B offer. I'm sure if we negotiated like that, he would give us exactly what we were standing firm for.

This whole "Plan B" thing is a seed planted by Nelson, which he repeated daily. I watched poster, after poster fall for his garbage. It was just like the TWU MOU, and the Association documents that he is getting called out on now. He just repeats false facts, and half truths daily, until they become accepted (At least he thinks so) by gullible readers. 
 
AH must be proud of him...

 

[jet job]

Hey JJ, come to an employee lot near you and get your masters for selling out your fellow brothers and sisters

Hey alias,
I don't think you have the credentials, but either does your Nelson.