2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[BLUTO]

Dave,
When are you coming to MIA? You said before you got your non-rev privileges back. Will you fly AA or US?

Josh

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DAVE

 

[cltrat]

Why aren't you telling us not to shop at Walmart.........if we were sucking off of the dues paying members, like you, we wouldn't have too.

rockit  this one is beyond disgust, as long as RD doesn't stop suddenly his nose won't get broke.

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim,
 
Talk to your source again.
 
P. Rez

You would honestly have to think if the company were offering the same base wages as we make and it was being refused they would make that known within the press somehow. Even if that were a violation of the act of negotiating directly with the membership against the bargaining agent. There are many ways to leak that sort of information. JMO.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have seen here in ORD some incredibly strong TWU unionist that know what is going on and are monitoring the situation.   Most are highly educated and understand contracts and processes and I'm talking about the shop stewards. They have been briefed and fully support the IAM's current stand alone talks, but they are under the impression that joint talks will commence after the NMB rules a single carrier.  Most IAM members have been told that the "IAM is in charge" the first two years of the association [after a vote] but that isn't true insomuch as it means that the TWU is a bystander.  Neither union will be sitting down and that's not how the association agreement reads.
 
Doyle has my respect and is an independent mind.  ORD respects him totally.  I've been told [I fully admit it is second hand] that he isn't necessarily convinced on the association but does currently support it.  Lombardo is fine with it.   But one thing I know is that the TWU folks are not going to just continue singing kumbuya with the IAM if the IAM doesn't produce. There are way too many TWU folks laid off to just turn a blind eye indefinitely.
 
At any rate, I have had the privilege of getting to know many of the rank and file TWU ORD members at ORD and they ask about the IAM and what is going on, and I explain to them the processes and where we are at.

Tim the issue that our group unfortunately must understand is the fact that if there was no merger we wouldn't be waiting in the wings as our current CBA would stand till completion. As much as we want to get to the next phase it would also be wrong of us to rush your process for our members.

You guys began bargaining never expecting the things that have transpired to materialize and although I think it will eventually be beneficial for all of us we should bear what I just said in mind.

Basically I don't think my group should try to strong arm you rather than lending assistance.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You would honestly have to think if the company were offering the same base wages as we make and it was being refused they would make that known within the press somehow. Even if that were a violation of the act of negotiating directly with the membership against the bargaining agent. There are many ways to leak that sort of information. JMO.

the company truly has been taking things off the table. This last offer of 1% was truly a pos offer but very consistent with ultimatums. Im not saying any offer has been acceptable but obviously the ultimatum drop dead strategy has polarized dverything and it may be too late to even get amr wages given the present insanity. What is absolutely interesting is that the iam leadership bought votes last time as well and ua ended up getting $0 as the team delaney had to leve money on the table.

The reality is that single carrier will be here and the iam may put out a press release stating that it secured an agreement with the company to expedite talks and bring a leading industry contract. At this point we need a release to at least chase whatever may still b left.

 

[mike33]

Tim,
 
Huh, need to talk to your sources about this claim. This red drink I have for you is not koolaid, just try some. lol 
 
P. Rez

Rez. You don't understand. Tim's sources are ROCK solid. Black and white, until proven wrong.

 

[Harry Callahan]

rockit2
I'm retired & no fucking way I shop at Walmart.
 
Harry

 

[Tim Nelson]

Rez. You don't understand. Tim's sources are ROCK solid. Black and white, until proven wrong.

you will find out soon enuf who has been blowing smoke up your ass brother...stay tuned.
until then, keep catching the myth where every day is a holiday and arbitrators intentionally violate contracts. Look in the mirror and then ask yourself why united members fell for all the bull.

you have become full blown "willingly ignorant" because you have made the truth a lie and embraced the lie. And as a result of believing the bedtime stories instead of reading and understanding what is written, you have encouraged the deceit and storytelling by those who are buying votes. Keep busting my balls mike. It isnt too heavy for me when i have been the only one respecting you enuf not to bs you.

 

[mike33]

Rez. You don't understand. Tim's sources are ROCK solid. Black and white, until proven wrong.

Is this the way you talk to your constituents if elected? You don't know me enough to say anything derogatory regarding my beliefs. I don't call people liars as you do until they actuall become liars. You may want to think about accusing people about keeping secrets because as I told you in the email, I don't play by those type of rules

 

[WeAAsles]

the company truly has been taking things off the table. This last offer of 1% was truly a pos offer but very consistent with ultimatums. Im not saying any offer has been acceptable but obviously the ultimatum drop dead strategy has polarized dverything and it may be too late to even get amr wages given the present insanity. What is absolutely interesting is that the iam leadership bought votes last time as well and ua ended up getting $0 as the team delaney had to leve money on the table.
The reality is that single carrier will be here and the iam may put out a press release stating that it secured an agreement with the company to expedite talks and bring a leading industry contract. At this point we need a release to at least chase whatever may still b left.

Tim I don't know the politics of the IAM and frankly don't care unless I feel in the future those who represent you could be affecting us? I'm new to trying to understand and get a bead on your organization and it's leaders so I won't presume to make any assumptions about them or what they did or didn't do.

The one thing I do know is those who represent their members have to go with the pulse of what they will or won't accept. Our personal feelings about the directions taken is irrelevant since we don't speak for the entire membership. I've told you before regarding your anti UAL contract campaign that they're the ultimate deciders.

Some of your NC have graciously come on here and told you that the offers have been concessionary in nature and unacceptable. Rumor, innuendo and hearsay may tell a different tale but we are not the ones who've sat in that room and seen the company offers. We can all share opinions on the matter but right now they are the ones who will have to bring it back to the members and good or bad will also answer to them.

 

[mike33]

I' m not busting your balls Tim. I just see it a different way as you. I'm not giving anyone any more credit than I give you. I saw in the beginning of the MOU re SCS I thought it was B/W also till the "association" thing came up. Who am I to argue with anyone on the law re that point. If it ends up what you believe than we lose. If it ends up that there is a corner for AH to back out of then you were wrong. It's that simple.

 

[robbedagain]

here;s a thought..   suppose the company DOES want a strike by both groups  only to have both groups replaced by AA and their union    A coworker told me that what he believes   IT sure sounds like what those filthy apes want

 

[WeAAsles]

I' m not busting your balls Tim. I just see it a different way as you. I'm not giving anyone any more credit than I give you. I saw in the beginning of the MOU re SCS I thought it was B/W also till the "association" thing came up. Who am I to argue with anyone on the law re that point. If it ends up what you believe than we lose. If it ends up that there is a corner for AH to back out of then you were wrong. It's that simple.

The MOU between the TWU and the new AA is a binding agreement. However the Association is not as it hasn't been voted on and approved by the membership to be the bargaining agent. That agreement can be subject to change or modifications if agreed to by both Unions, IAM and TWU.

I hope in there negotiations with you guys the company representatives keep this in mind if they prefer the Avenue of good labor relations for the new airline?

 

[roabilly]

I' m not busting your balls Tim. I just see it a different way as you. I'm not giving anyone any more credit than I give you. I saw in the beginning of the MOU re SCS I thought it was B/W also till the "association" thing came up. Who am I to argue with anyone on the law re that point. If it ends up what you believe than we lose. If it ends up that there is a corner for AH to back out of then you were wrong. It's that simple.

If you see things differently than Nelson, you become a Liar, Drunk, P-Ass, Kool-Aid Drinker, MF's boy... and Bong hitter! Those are just a few that I can think of, that he has labeled ME in public in this very forum for disagreeing with him. 
 
Now-- concerning his argument regarding the TWU MOU "time bomb" that is supposed to be about to blow conventional Section 6 Negotiations to smithereens, he is the only one here preaching it! Everyone that is actually involved with it, has said he is wrong... period! CB even said legal looked at and concurred! Nelson NEEDS for this argument to be believed, that's why he get's so pissed when you either don't believe him, or challenge him on it.
 
Now... ask yourself why does he NEED it to be believed? Could it be because AH want's to promote the idea that we have NO leverage and need to settle now for less and wait for years until the JCBA is ratified?... or, it could be he want's to belittle the IAM for making bad decisions... or it could be BOTH!
 
Either way, the Company comes out ahead, as does Nelson politically.

 

[737823]

here;s a thought..   suppose the company DOES want a strike by both groups  only to have both groups replaced by AA and their union    A coworker told me that what he believes   IT sure sounds like what those filthy apes want

Robbed TWU would not scab they have already stated they support you guys.

Josh