2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

here;s a thought..   suppose the company DOES want a strike by both groups  only to have both groups replaced by AA and their union    A coworker told me that what he believes   IT sure sounds like what those filthy apes want

I don't think that's possible logistically or legally, and the Company would still end up with a Unionized Work Group either way. Not much of a cost savings to them... 

 

[mike33]

here;s a thought..   suppose the company DOES want a strike by both groups  only to have both groups replaced by AA and their union    A coworker told me that what he believes   IT sure sounds like what those filthy apes want

And who is gonna work 450 flts Clt...450 flts in Phl..450 flts in Phx?.... 

 

[robbedagain]

i understand roa and mike   just that was something i had heard from a coworker    of course those AA folks are not even trained on our planes and vice versa.    i think it would be beyond a disasterous nightmare if they tried to do that. 
 
josh just bec the TWU says they support us  you darn well know there would be people who would scab just to work   once a scab  always a scab

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I don't know the politics of the IAM and frankly don't care unless I feel in the future those who represent you could be affecting us? I'm new to trying to understand and get a bead on your organization and it's leaders so I won't presume to make any assumptions about them or what they did or didn't do.
The one thing I do know is those who represent their members have to go with the pulse of what they will or won't accept. Our personal feelings about the directions taken is irrelevant since we don't speak for the entire membership. I've told you before regarding your anti UAL contract campaign that they're the ultimate deciders.
Some of your NC have graciously come on here and told you that the offers have been concessionary in nature and unacceptable. Rumor, innuendo and hearsay may tell a different tale but we are not the ones who've sat in that room and seen the company offers. We can all share opinions on the matter but right now they are the ones who will have to bring it back to the members and good or bad will also answer to them.

they didnt sit in the negotiation room either. They themselves had to rely on second hand reports

 

[Tim Nelson]

I' m not busting your balls Tim. I just see it a different way as you. I'm not giving anyone any more credit than I give you. I saw in the beginning of the MOU re SCS I thought it was B/W also till the "association" thing came up. Who am I to argue with anyone on the law re that point. If it ends up what you believe than we lose. If it ends up that there is a corner for AH to back out of then you were wrong. It's that simple.

i said what i said. Has nothing to do with beliefs

 

[mike33]

The MOU between the TWU and the new AA is a binding agreement. However the Association is not as it hasn't been voted on and approved by the membership to be the bargaining agent. That agreement can be subject to change or modifications if agreed to by both Unions, IAM and TWU.

I hope in there negotiations with you guys the company representatives keep this in mind if they prefer the Avenue of good labor relations for the new airline?

1.   WeAAsles?  Do you think that the TWU and IAM  can represent and oversee each others CBA's without it being voted on by the memberships of both? Even with no changes to either CBAs'?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't think that's possible logistically or legally, and the Company would still end up with a Unionized Work Group either way. Not much of a cost savings to them...

Really?
Please explain your comments why it isnt possible logistically or realisticly? I want to hear that one.

In fact, Hey Prez, is there any situation where you will actually take fleet service out on strike?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jester,
 
I have been stating in the breakrooms that the Company is offering us a POS. To explain myself here, for topped out employees, we only received 1% raise in 2012, 0% 2013 and 0% 2014 which leaves us at minus 5%. This is basically what the Company is offering us with no back pay and not keeping up with inflation going forward. Nothing else is being offered and they continue to compare us to AA which is a bankrupt cba. This is clearly a POS offer and concessionary.
 
P. Rez

Prez, will you take fleet service out on strike, given the pos proposal from AH? Yes or No?

 

[roabilly]

Really?
Please explain your comments why it isnt possible logistically or realisticly? I want to hear that one.

In fact, Hey Prez, is there any situation where you will actually take fleet service out on strike?

I'll explain my thoughts to you if you reveal what University you received your Masters from... Deal?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'll explain my thoughts to you if you reveal what University you received your Masters from... Deal?

there is nothing logistically or realistically preventing sh from taking drastic measures in the context of the members question. I answered it for you.

Go back to your ridiculous anti union bedtime story...."long ago and far away...."

 

[Tim Nelson]

Cricket Prez?

Prez are you prepared to take fleet service on strike yes or no?

 

[WeAAsles]

1.   WeAAsles?  Do you think that the TWU and IAM  can represent and oversee each others CBA's without it being voted on by the memberships of both? Even with no changes to either

No. First we have to vote on the association as our bargaining agent.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't think that's possible logistically or legally, and the Company would still end up with a Unionized Work Group either way. Not much of a cost savings to them...

Realistically it doesn't work either. Unless my union has a bullpen of over 5000 members ready to work.

 

[mike33]

1.   WeAAsles?  Do you think that the TWU and IAM  can represent and oversee each others CBA's without it being voted on by the memberships of both? Even with no changes to either CBAs'?

  I don't see in the TWU constitution where by the Association has to be voted on at this time. It just addresses for CBAs'. 
Art XXV pg 72. sec 6 says
        " [SIZE=10pt]S[/SIZE][SIZE=7pt]ECTION [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]6. No Local Union or other subordinate 73 [/SIZE]body, and no officer, agent, representative or member thereof shall have the power or authority to represent, act for, commit or bind the International Union in any matter except upon express authority having been granted therefor by this Constitution or in writing by the International President or the International Executive Council. 
 
  Did either one of those sign the agreement?

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't see in the TWU constitution where by the Association has to be voted on at this time. It just addresses for CBAs'. 
Art XXV pg 72. sec 6 says
        " S[/size]ECTION [/size]6. No Local Union or other subordinate 73 [/size]body, and no officer, agent, representative or member thereof shall have the power or authority to represent, act for, commit or bind the International Union in any matter except upon [/size]express authority[/size] having been granted therefor by this Constitution [/size]or[/size] in [/size]writing by the International President or [/size]the International Executive Council. [/size]
 
  Did either one of those sign the agreement?

As part of the merger once the Association files for SCS and the NMB accepts that is when the process will begin for a vote for representation by the Association or the No Union option.

This is a merger so we fall under specific guidelines set forth by the NMB.