2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

I think I know what you're getting at but I also think under NMB rules there are timelines to the process???

 

[mike33]

As part of the merger once the Association files for SCS and the NMB accepts that is when the process will begin for a vote for representation by the Association or the No Union option.

This is a merger so we fall under specific guidelines set forth by the NMB.

Agreed but I'm going to end this subject with the fact that the representational issue possibly comes later and the 2 unions have come to an agreement which possibly holds up the SCS till that happens. It is not conclusive that the arbitrator will rule in the companies favor either as far as the MOU is concerned ...... Agreed?
 
  I don't know how i got this deep into this but it is very enlightening........

 

[NYer]

Prez, will you take fleet service out on strike, given the pos proposal from AH? Yes or No?

 
Not Rez and not anyone else can take you on strike unless the NMB allows it....and they won't.

 

[NYer]

  I don't see in the TWU constitution where by the Association has to be voted on at this time. It just addresses for CBAs'. 
Art XXV pg 72. sec 6 says
        " [SIZE=10pt]S[/SIZE][SIZE=7pt]ECTION [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]6. No Local Union or other subordinate 73 [/SIZE]body, and no officer, agent, representative or member thereof shall have the power or authority to represent, act for, commit or bind the International Union in any matter except upon express authority having been granted therefor by this Constitution or in writing by the International President or the International Executive Council. 
 
  Did either one of those sign the agreement?

 
The vote for the Association is not related to the Consitution, but the NMB and their ability to recognize the Association as the bargaining unit for the IAM and TWU represented Members of AAG.
 
The Association agreement has been agreed to by the two Presidents of the TWU and IAM and now needs to go through the rest of the process and file for recognition by the NMB which triggers a vote for the Memberships to approve.

 

[NYer]

Agreed but I'm going to end this subject with the fact that the representational issue possibly comes later and the 2 unions have come to an agreement which possibly holds up the SCS till that happens. It is not conclusive that the arbitrator will rule in the companies favor either as far as the MOU is concerned ...... Agreed?
 
  I don't know how i got this deep into this but it is very enlightening........

 
If the TWU doesn't file for the Single Carrier Status as agreed in the MOU then I cannot see how an Arbitrator will not rule in favor of the airline and force the TWU to abide by the MOU.
 
In order to get away from that agreement, the Association would have to file for the Single Carrier Status, but the IAM has maintained that they will not move forward until they get a standalone agreement.
 
We find ourselves in a quandary.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
If the TWU doesn't file for the Single Carrier Status as agreed in the MOU then I cannot see how an Arbitrator will not rule in favor of the airline and force the TWU to abide by the MOU.
 
In order to get away from that agreement, the Association would have to file for the Single Carrier Status, but the IAM has maintained that they will not move forward until they get a standalone agreement.
 
We find ourselves in a quandary.

The Association hasn't even been voted on and some here seem to think it's a done deal.

 

[P. REZ]

Prez, will you take fleet service out on strike, given the pos proposal from AH? Yes or No?

Tim,
 
If the NMB released us, the membership voted no on the offer and yes on strike, yes I would. What is your point?
 
P. Rez

 

[mike33]

 
If the TWU doesn't file for the Single Carrier Status as agreed in the MOU then I cannot see how an Arbitrator will not rule in favor of the airline and force the TWU to abide by the MOU.
 
In order to get away from that agreement, the Association would have to file for the Single Carrier Status, but the IAM has maintained that they will not move forward until they get a standalone agreement.
 
We find ourselves in a quandary.

  Noted

 

[NYer]

Doyle has my respect and is an independent mind.  ORD respects him totally.  I've been told [I fully admit it is second hand] that he isn't necessarily convinced on the association but does currently support it.
 
Lombardo is fine with it.  --That would be news to many in the TWU as Mr. Lombardo is said to have supported the view held by some, including many Members in BOS for instance, that are against the Association and feel they were abandoned. If he is fine with it, then he has some explaining to do to many Members. It may be more accurate to state that he's stuck with it. 
 
But one thing I know is that the TWU folks are not going to just continue singing kumbuya with the IAM if the IAM doesn't produce. There are way too many TWU folks laid off to just turn a blind eye indefinitely. --Not only that, but there is a wage adjuster in 2015 that is currently being held down due to the current US wages. If we get closer to that time, the kumbaya is definitely going to be tested.
 
At any rate, I have had the privilege of getting to know many of the rank and file TWU ORD members at ORD and they ask about the IAM and what is going on, and I explain to them the processes and where we are at.

 

[NYer]

The Association hasn't even been voted on and some here seem to think it's a done deal.

 
It's only a done deal in as much as the two unions have agreed to it. It still have to get by the NMB and the Membership vote. So right now, the Association is just a document.

 

[robbedagain]

nyer,  about that last little line  whereas  we find ourselves in the quandry    technically the company forced the iam into that due to the company's ABSOLUTE REFUSAL to negogiate with the IAM  and the fact they brought AA folks 4.3 raise whilest the US folks are stuck where we are due to the company's failure  

 

[NYer]

nyer,  about that last little line  whereas  we find ourselves in the quandry    technically the company forced the iam into that due to the company's ABSOLUTE REFUSAL to negogiate with the IAM  and the fact they brought AA folks 4.3 raise whilest the US folks are stuck where we are due to the company's failure  

 
That may be, won't argue because you have that perspective...however, regardless of fault...we are still in a quandary.
 
In my opinion, the only play will be for the US Members to agree to an interim deal and try to reach a more beneficial deal during the Joint talks. I don't see how they can get a substantial standalone deal when the airline and the NMB knows there is more talks right around the corner.
 
As it stands, the US CBA contains better vacations, sick time and a lower medical cost so if they enhance that it will cost them even more during the next round because not only would they have to bring the TWU CBA up to the current US level, in those respects, but then they'll have to go even higher to also match the enhancement US seeks.
 
On the US side, you're already looking at a $2+ raise, with another 2.1% each year and a potentially significant bump in September 2015. I wish you guys luck because the better you do, the better we do....but I don't see the leverage to force the issues....

 

[Hope777]

TIM, Pat has Answered Your Question....  It's time YOU MAN UP and tell us Where Your Masters is from and What was your Major???  Please, if You want to represent us, YOU need to tell us. We would like to know?  BE A MAN !

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
If the NMB released us, the membership voted no on the offer and yes on strike, yes I would. What is your point?
 
P. Rez

i just wanted that clarified. I have members asking.Thank you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

TIM, Pat has Answered Your Question....  It's time YOU MAN UP and tell us Where Your Masters is from and What was your Major???  Please, if You want to represent us, YOU need to tell us. We would like to know?  BE A MAN !

Im not going to subject myself to personal accusations nor will i necessarily accuse any other candidate of personal items. I was also born in the usa but im not going to get involved in defending myself over personal items. If someone wants to attack the institution where i obtained my masters education or the proficiency then they are free to do so, but it wont be with me subjecting myself.