2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

Im not going to subject myself to personal accusations nor will i necessarily accuse any other candidate of personal items. I was also born in the usa but im not going to get involved in defending myself over personal items. If someone wants to attack the institution where i obtained my masters education or the proficiency then they are free to do so, but it wont be with me subjecting myself.

Tim asking what your degree is in as a candidate looking to represent people in matters that directly affect their livelihoods if you are elected should not be a game of secrets. You have brought it up in the context that it could make you a more viable alternative to other choices your members have and should be scrutinized for that allusion that you yourself have made.

Unless your degree has no bearing on the position you seek and will not assist you in the performance of that duty, I'm puzzled at why you refuse to share something that of course you should take extreme pride in achieving?

 

[WeAAsles]

And I'm also glad that you were born in the USA much as my shoes are also made here and by union members mind you. But my choice in footwear is not a measure of my personal character and I'm not looking to sell them.

 

[rockit2]

TIM, Pat has Answered Your Question....  It's time YOU MAN UP and tell us Where Your Masters is from and What was your Major???  Please, if You want to represent us, YOU need to tell us. We would like to know?  BE A MAN !

I don't think a mans education should come into play, what about the current agc's? None of them had more than minimal union experience prior to being elected.They just got lucky and was on the right slate. What about the guy from CLT that got elected and didn't perform, I can't remember his name, but the district let him ride out his term and burn up our dues money. As so far, Nelson has been more vocal and knowlegable than most, if you can get by the personal hate factor, he does have some good contacts for someone that is so hated by the 141 e-board. If education played a role we would have agc's that studied labor law in college but we don't.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't think a mans education should come into play, what about the current agc's? None of them had more than minimal union experience prior to being elected.They just got lucky and was on the right slate. What about the guy from CLT that got elected and didn't perform, I can't remember his name, but the district let him ride out his term and burn up our dues money. As so far, Nelson has been more vocal and knowlegable than most, if you can get by the personal hate factor, he does have some good contacts for someone that is so hated by the 141 e-board. If education played a role we would have agc's that studied labor law in college but we don't.

Any tool that you personally claim that is in your toolbox you should be prepared to produce and have a full knowledge of how to use it. If you were hiring a plumber wouldn't you want him to be proficient?

 

[700UW]

Rockit2,

That would be Mike Crowell, Timmy's hand picked Candidate.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Any tool that you personally claim that is in your toolbox you should be prepared to produce and have a full knowledge of how to use it. If you were hiring a plumber wouldn't you want him to be proficient?

i said what i said. Im not going to get in a cat and mouse game having to produce documents on things. I have a masters education and if someone doesnt believe it then i cant force them to.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are not Barack Obama. No one is asking you to produce your papers. But if your masters is in something like Sports Medicine that would not necessarily benefit me unless I had a groin pull or something.

 

[700UW]

Theology

 

[ograc]

If you see things differently than Nelson, you become a Liar, Drunk, P-Ass, Kool-Aid Drinker, MF's boy... and Bong hitter! Those are just a few that I can think of, that he has labeled ME in public in this very forum for disagreeing with him. 
 
Now-- concerning his argument regarding the TWU MOU "time bomb" that is supposed to be about to blow conventional Section 6 Negotiations to smithereens, he is the only one here preaching it! Everyone that is actually involved with it, has said he is wrong... period! CB even said legal looked at and concurred! Nelson NEEDS for this argument to be believed, that's why he get's so pissed when you either don't believe him, or challenge him on it.
 
Now... ask yourself why does he NEED it to be believed? Could it be because AH want's to promote the idea that we have NO leverage and need to settle now for less and wait for years until the JCBA is ratified?... or, it could be he want's to belittle the IAM for making bad decisions... or it could be BOTH!
 
Either way, the Company comes out ahead, as does Nelson politically.

ROA,
Interesting points of view. Duly noted. Talk about hidden agendas. I'm begining to wonder if there is, indeed, a shared agenda with the said parties. If what you are insinuating is true; then the game is over for both said parties. The covert interjection of AH's ageda on this forum has been exposed. I ask the engaged on this forum; does ROA's insinuations have merit?  

 

[mike33]

ROA,
Interesting points of view. Duly noted. Talk about hidden agendas. I'm begining to wonder if there is, indeed, a shared agenda with the said parties. If what you are insinuating is true; then the game is over for both said parties. The covert interjection of AH's ageda on this forum has been exposed. I ask the engaged on this forum; does ROA's insinuations have merit?  

Well if indeed TN has communications with AH?  That very well could be ! I'm not so sure though, unless TN doesn't realize he is being played. Wow, thats a lot to think about! Although Nyer and Weaasles somewhat  agree with him. No matter what though, i hold my stance on what I've been told. Koolaid or soda pop. Until they are liars they are good to go with me !

 

[cltrat]

I don't think so myself no

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are not Barack Obama. No one is asking you to produce your papers. But if your masters is in something like Sports Medicine that would not necessarily benefit me unless I had a groin pull or something.

Maybe I don't mind them making my education an issue. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't think so myself no

It is ridiculous to even suggest that I talk to AH.  What AH offered was a POS.  Educating the members on the single carrier, and the TWU MOU, has cut 'deep' along the bull sh&t of those who are blowing smoke so they claim I'm with AH.  Their suggestion that an arbitrator will intentionally violate a pre determined timeline is utterly nonsensical. Educating the members that the Association is NOT legally recognized by ANYONE cuts deep against the smoke blowing for Team Delaney which has pinned its hopes on mass confusion at US AIRWAYS by using "The Association" to say that the TWU is not obligated anymore since the association has taken its legal obligations.  UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!  
 
The arguments are so absurd but they can get away with all of it with those who choose to bury their heads in the sand.  And Mike33 will believe it!    Mike 33 actually believes such whacked up BS that has been blown up his ass that he has become willingly ignorant and nobody can tell him otherwise.
 
Much easier for me to try to buy votes and say that the NC isn't asking for enough.  And it sure sounds great how Team Delaney is telling everyone that they will get AH to give them everything they asked for in the ultimatum. Buys a helluva lot of votes at US AIRWAYS no doubt.  But as an AGC elect, if I get elected, I have to have the trust of the members, thus I'm not going to blow smoke up folks ass to get elected.  If I win then it will be with honesty and not promising treasure island contracts in pre joint talks and that arbitrators will violate contracts, and that the association allows the TWU a way out of the MOU.  Actually, it is quite ludicrous to believe that but kool aid drinkers make themselves willingly ignorant so that they make the truth a lie and stand by it.
 
And who said otherwise?  CB?  Nope. Prez? Nope.  They use their front men Roabilly and others to toss things out there, or they say unwritten things.   How about it CB or Prez.....will the arbitrator violate the pre determined timeline in the MOU #9?  Or are both of you going to stick your finger up your asses and say "Who am I to question attorneys?"    Maybe CB can tell us what AH attorney thinks of the MOU they crafted and the arbitrator who has ALREADY been contracted to handle any resolution needed. Instead of having Roabilly be your mouths,  why don't you both come clean and answer the legal questions.  If you dn't know the answers then neither of you have a damn reason to be in negotiations. 
 
Does the Association give the TWU a free pass on its legal obligations in the MOU?  Yes or No?
 
Will an arbitrator intentionally violate the pre determined terms of any resolution, see #9?  Yes or No?
 
Is the Association EVER RECOGNIZED BY ANYONE?  Yes or No?
 
And, why weren't any US AIRWAYS members in negotiations last time?  Everything from the NC is second hand.

 

[mike33]

It is ridiculous to even suggest that I talk to AH.  What AH offered was a POS.  Educating the members on the single carrier, and the TWU MOU, has cut 'deep' along the bull sh&t of those who are blowing smoke and suggesting that an arbitrator will intentionally violate a pre determined timeline that the arbitrator contracted on is just someone pointing to the scoreboard. Educating the members that the Association is NOT legally recognized by ANYONE cuts deep against the smoke blowing for Team Delaney which has pinned its hopes on mass confusion at US AIRWAYS by using "The Association" to say that the TWU is not obligated anymore since the association has taken its legal obligations.  The arguments are so absurd but they can get away with all of it and then claim I'm management.  And Mike33 will believe it!    Mike 33 actually believes such whacked up BS that has been blown up his ass that he has become willingly ignorant and nobody can tell him otherwise.
 
Much easier for me to try to buy votes and say that the NC isn't asking for enough.  And it sure sounds great how Team Delaney is telling everyone that they will get AH to give them everything they asked for in the ultimatum. Buys a helluva lot of votes at US AIRWAYS no doubt.  But as an AGC elect, if I get elected, I have to have the trust of the members, thus I'm not going to blow smoke up folks ass to get elected.  If I win then it will be with honesty and not promising treasure island contracts in pre joint talks and that arbitrators will violate contracts, and that the association allows the TWU a way out of the MOU.  Actually, it is quite ludicrous to believe that but kool aid drinkers make themselves willingly ignorant so that they make the truth a lie and stand by it.

Shall i share the email you wrote me on this forum Tim?   Blow secrets and smoke up u=r own ass shall i share your email?   don't make me an enemy. you have few friends here. Making me defend my beliefs does nothing for a person thats in an election to lead this group! Think about what you are accusing me of?....i have a right to my opinion and belief !.....If you can't give that to me then how can you possibly lead this field service group......The only thing you are missing is the shovel to cover the #### you are creating here

 

[AANOTOK]

ROA,
Interesting points of view. Duly noted. Talk about hidden agendas. I'm begining to wonder if there is, indeed, a shared agenda with the said parties. If what you are insinuating is true; then the game is over for both said parties. The covert interjection of AH's ageda on this forum has been exposed. I ask the engaged on this forum; does ROA's insinuations have merit?  

The entertainment over here is outstanding, no doubt. The twists and turns, the plots and subplots. Only "Days of Our Lives" (when I was forced to watch it with the hot babysitter) had more stories within a story. Now, hopefully all these characters and their roles will eventually lead to a good contract for you guys at US, and then an outstanding CBA when a JCBA is reached. Good luck to you all.