2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Binding arbitration is not a good idea for either side.
 
But at UA the PEB actually came out in favor of the union and not the company.

Although a peb is unlikely, an obama peb wouldnt exactly be neutral imo but moreso favorable than a neutral arbitrator.

 

[robbedagain]

Favorable to who! I dont think obama peb would step in for the iam nor the company but if they did I dont think it would do us much I cld be wrong though

 

[737823]

Do you honestly think AH or JG are afraid of you?
 
The only labor leader that they were scared of was Teddy Xidas from the AFA.

The company doesn't fear nor respect the IAM as it is. Face it, they have rolled each time and the co got exactly what they wanted and they have allowed US to kick the can down the road in current section 6 negotiations.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Wrong again.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
How many times does it have to be explained to you?
 
Do I need to get a five year old with their crayons to draw you a picture so you can actually comprehend what is going on?
 
The NMB controls the negotiations, not US and not the IAM.

 

[roabilly]

Wrong again.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
How many times does it have to be explained to you?
 
Do I need to get a five year old with their crayons to draw you a picture so you can actually comprehend what is going on?
 
The NMB controls the negotiations, not US and not the IAM.

You have to wonder what would motivate a financial officer to repeatedly post misinformation that weakens solidarity, and discredits the union. Then, you have to wonder why Nelson posts in tandem with him in Q&A sessions...
 
I think even the most naive could figure that one out!

 

[Kev3188]

Do you honestly think AH or JG are afraid of you?
 
The only labor leader that they were scared of was Teddy Xidas from the AFA.

I'm sure AH & co. were all too happy to see her go.

That said, "fear" shouldn't be the NC's goal. Commanding respect from those across the table should be...

 

[Tim Nelson]

You have to wonder what would motivate a financial officer to repeatedly post misinformation that weakens solidarity, and discredits the union. Then, you have to wonder why Nelson posts in tandem with him in Q&A sessions...
 
I think even the most naive could figure that one out!

Seeing ghost behind every bush Roa?
Carry on. But i can assure you that your post and this thread would be more interesting if you stopped your fancy with me. Cripes, uou seem obsessed with me!

 

[737823]

Wrong again.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
How many times does it have to be explained to you?
 
Do I need to get a five year old with their crayons to draw you a picture so you can actually comprehend what is going on?
 
The NMB controls the negotiations, not US and not the IAM.

Explain what? You are convinced the company respects the union? Its clear they do not and are not negotiating in good faith. Seriously, yes US isn't negotiating in good faith but your IAM has been in negotiations since 2011 and at some level have allowed the company to drag them out. Are they even asking for retro pay?

Well its not like they were going anywhere. IAM pretty much sat on their hands for over a year before they filed to be released, they filed, then what? Nothing. No picketing, not even at the NMB to let it be known they are serious. AMFA filed during similar conditions at NWA, they ended up with the biggest increases ever seen and all mechanics benefitted from that. Yes the recession, 9-11 and BK gave NWA and the other unions the opportunity to make an example of them by setting out to bust AMFA, no matter the cost, before they spread through the rest of the industry, but the fact is that every mechanic in the industry benefitted by what happened at NWA from 1999 through 2001 and to this day we are still better off. Our wages today are higher in absolute dollars (not when adjusted for inflation) than they were prior to 2001 but for many of our coworkers that is not the case such as Fleet service and Stores.

So while I would fault the IBT for other things filing for an election at US when the IAM continues to sit on their hands in negotiations isnt one of them. The IAM claims this will extend negotiations, well, after seeing the crumbs they were asking for, and the fact they were not making progress even with that, taking a little longer to get where you want to be may be a better option than throwing the IAM even more time to get you where you dont really want to be.Why should they be willing to settle for what the UAL guys , who are in negotiations, are getting now? They need a union that will at least try and raise the bar, not just ride the coat tails of United mechanics.

Sadly I still think the filing at US was really more about getting cards at AA. Maybe the IBT should be a little more aggressive at UAL, then they would not have to rely on deception in order to get more mechanics to want to become Teamsters. The thing about deception is eventually the truth comes out, the guys who told the lies will be long gone, telling lies to their next assignment, but we will have to live with the results.

So, while having Rival Unions court members from other unions may not be in the best interests of people who have positions in the Unions that are being raided ,despite what these leaders say, its good for Union members and the labor movement as a whole. It brings accountablity to the unaccountable, but care must be taken if a choice to move is made that you dont get lured into a relationship based on lies, lies from different people are still lies.

Josh

 

[700UW]

A post by Bob Owens, is not a factual source.
Try again.
 
And when the IAM filed for mediation is in the current CBA.
 
So come up with some real facts their joshie.
 
Better get back to work your CEO just got a $20 million raise.
 
Why dont you ask Bob why his union back in 1983 started B-Scale Wages and concessions?

 

 

[roabilly]

Seeing ghost behind every bush Roa?
Carry on. But i can assure you that your post and this thread would be more interesting if you stopped your fancy with me. Cripes, uou seem obsessed with me!

...and this advice comes from a man with an obsession with a financial officer that doesn’t even work in Fleet Service?

 

[Tim Nelson]

...and this advice comes from a man with an obsession with a financial officer that doesn’t even work in Fleet Service?

Carry on

 

[cltrat]

...and this advice comes from a man with an obsession with a financial officer that doesn’t even work in Fleet Service?

I think 700 is more the one with an obsession with Josh, they have pissing contests all over this site.

 

[ChockJockey]

It's long been proven that only three people post in the Fleet Service thread:

1. 700UW
2. roabilly
3. Everyone else is Tim Nelson, or one of his troll avatars he posts behind, hell-bent on smearing the immaculate and virginal reputation of the IAM.

 

[cltrat]

It's long been proven that only three people post in the Fleet Service thread:

1. 700UW
2. roabilly
3. Everyone else is Tim Nelson, or one of his troll avatars he posts behind, hell-bent on smearing the immaculate and virginal reputation of the IAM.

lol awesome Chock

 

[BLUTO]

It's long been proven that only three people post in the Fleet Service thread:

1. 700UW
2. roabilly
3. Everyone else is Tim Nelson, or one of his troll avatars he posts behind, hell-bent on smearing the immaculate and virginal reputation of the IAM.

HEY DOOSH
DONT FERGT ME
 
DAVE