2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Harry Callahan]

ROA I don't read any of Joshies posts but honestly I don't believe he's who he claims or why in the h would he be on our forum ? My bet is he's paid company management.
 
Harry

 

[roabilly]

ROA I don't read any of Joshies posts but honestly I don't believe he's who he claims or why in the h would he be on our forum ? My bet is he's paid company management.
 
Harry

Harry,
 
If he’s a company plant... he’s certainly not a very bright one... virtually every thing he writes is easily refuted with credible evidence. My guess is... he’s a disgruntled political casualty of the IAM election process-- Or, maybe 700 stole his lunch money in 5th grade!
 
I say... keep um on ignore, and see who quotes him!

 

[ChockJockey]

I say... keep um on ignore, and see who quotes him!

 
What difference does it make who quotes him?

 

[ograc]

Any predictions on the nominations process going on today for the Grand Lodge Offices? Will the opposition slate gather the necessary LL nominations to force an election? Could the sub par agreements at Boeing and United leave the incumbent Grand Lodge Officers at risk of being re elected if an election is warranted? Looks like my local will have nominations for both slates. The floor is open to opinions.

 

[cltrat]

Any predictions on the nominations process going on today for the Grand Lodge Offices? Will the opposition slate gather the necessary LL nominations to force an election? Could the sub par agreements at Boeing and United leave the incumbent Grand Lodge Officers at risk of being re elected if an election is warranted? Looks like my local will have nominations for both slates. The floor is open to opinions.

ograc I certainly hope they get nominated and can make a realistic run at em. The good old boys club needs to be ousted imo

 

[ograc]

ograc I certainly hope they get nominated and can make a realistic run at em. The good old boys club needs to be ousted imo

The IAM is, after all, a "democratic union". At least this is what they campaign on. The democratic process should be inclusive of all leadership positions. From the very top to the bottom. The process ensures accountability.

 

[rockit2]

The IAM is, after all, a "democratic union". At least this is what they campaign on. The democratic process should be inclusive of all leadership positions. From the very top to the bottom. The process ensures accountability.

A democratic union with NO BALLS

 

[Tim Nelson]

Any predictions on the nominations process going on today for the Grand Lodge Offices? Will the opposition slate gather the necessary LL nominations to force an election? Could the sub par agreements at Boeing and United leave the incumbent Grand Lodge Officers at risk of being re elected if an election is warranted? Looks like my local will have nominations for both slates. The floor is open to opinions.

I believe close to 80 Locals nominated the opposition, so a runoff will be followed in February where we will see if they get endorsements of at least 25.  Not surprisingly, the biggest arse kissers were our very own IAM141 eboard who unanimously supported, by letter and signature, the current lame arse INTL officers.  Anyone on Delaney's ticket needs to go, as they are just part of the club and haven't the stones to have independent minds.  Hopefully, at US AIRWAYS, our members still have time before the IAM141 eboard 'hammers' our US AIRWAYS members as it did Hawaiian and United.  Although I was disappointed that the current NC was asking for only AMR wages this past summer [See AH letter to NMB], it is deeply troubling that they balked and as of December flipped and now support AH assertion that our US AIRWAYS members should NOT make AMR Bankrupt wages at DOS of any TA.  IMO, that is worse than a nursery crime.

 

[700UW]

If you believe everything AH has to say then I have some ocean front property for you in AZ.
 
Plus AH's letter about M&R was false and the IAM put out what M&R was asking for this past summer.
 
Both groups are looking for a two year bridge agreement.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If you believe everything AH has to say then I have some ocean front property for you in AZ.
 
Plus AH's letter about M&R was false and the IAM put out what M&R was asking for this past summer.
 
Both groups are looking for a two year bridge agreement.

Bridge to what, joint contracts?  What knuckleheads!  AMR TWU insisted on 5 year wage increases to the end of 2017 so its members won't go hungry as joint talks usually take 3-5 years.  Reagan has lost his mind with his reagonomics! 
Let's see, fleet service is almost two years without a pay increase, and now you are saying [which I already reported] that the last proposal is a two year deal that takes us where.....into 2016???   As much as you guys talk smack about AH and say how evil he is, why do you not have the slightest realization that AH may very likely be too stubborn to sign any joint contract this side of 2020?   Cripes, by the time a joint contract is signed, our peeps will be hungry as hell again playing catch up.  Gosh I hope the guys don't toss out that pay parity proposal as well.  Morons!

 

[Jester]

Tim,
 
Some interesting insights to the current leadership and opposition:
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/north-american-machinists-union-slate-challenges-top-leaders-034154078--sector.html
 
"We have not had a contested election since 1961... That means no candidate except the incumbents have ever exceeded the requirement of 25 locals nominating.  Much of the reason for that is the candidates that run are fools and flakes and fops and didn't come up to the level of seriousness required of candidates."  -- Richard Sloan, IAM Spokesman.
 
"Of the Learjet, Sloan noted IAM members make plane at Bombardier Inc and it costs less than commercial flight for the 250 days a year Buffenbarger travels."
 
"According to Department of Labor records, Buffenbarger was paid $304,000 in total compensation in 2012 the latest figure available, up from $293,000 in 2011. Roach's total compensation was $271,000 in 2012 and $258,000 in 2011.
 
Membership has declined to 577,000 active and retired members in 2012 from about 731,000 in 2000 according to Department of Labor."
 
Personally, I would like to see some of the qualifications for both Roach and Buffenbarger besides being in charge for so long. I sense a fair amount of contempt for those who question the Leadership in a legal union election. Large pay raises?  Private Learjet flights? Plunging Membership?  Suspect negotiated contracts?
 
Any elected organization that has not had a serious challenge in over 50 years is probably ripe for some change, especially as the Membership metrics in terms of numbers and compensation has been lousy!

 

[ograc]

Tim,
 
Some interesting insights to the current leadership and opposition:
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/north-american-machinists-union-slate-challenges-top-leaders-034154078--sector.html
 
"We have not had a contested election since 1961... That means no candidate except the incumbents have ever exceeded the requirement of 25 locals nominating.  Much of the reason for that is the candidates that run are fools and flakes and fops and didn't come up to the level of seriousness required of candidates."  -- Richard Sloan, IAM Spokesman.
 
"Of the Learjet, Sloan noted IAM members make plane at Bombardier Inc and it costs less than commercial flight for the 250 days a year Buffenbarger travels."
 
"According to Department of Labor records, Buffenbarger was paid $304,000 in total compensation in 2012 the latest figure available, up from $293,000 in 2011. Roach's total compensation was $271,000 in 2012 and $258,000 in 2011.
 
Membership has declined to 577,000 active and retired members in 2012 from about 731,000 in 2000 according to Department of Labor."
 
Personally, I would like to see some of the qualifications for both Roach and Buffenbarger besides being in charge for so long. I sense a fair amount of contempt for those who question the Leadership in a legal union election. Large pay raises?  Private Learjet flights? Plunging Membership?  Suspect negotiated contracts?
 
Any elected organization that has not had a serious challenge in over 50 years is probably ripe for some change, especially as the Membership metrics in terms of numbers and compensation has been lousy!

The democratic process engaged. The Grand Lodge leadership has not been seriously challenged in over 50 years? The metrics historically, in terms of membership numbers and compensation, of those represented, has indeed been declining. All the while; monthly dues has increased on an annual basis for the past countless years. Is the IAM ripe for change among the International Officers? Ultimately, the membership will decide. Many are frustrated and disappointed with the level of representation they are receiving from "the fighting machinists." 

 

[robbedagain]

The talks did not go well but then again look at the flippin donkeys from dfw formerly tempe their dealing with.... but its even worse by the nmb for not rescheduling or releasing both iam groups. If they were to release both iam groups at same time how fast would those clowns show up and make a deal? I realize in reality that releasing both 141 n 142 is unlikely but just thought of what would transpire if that did happen

 

[pjirish317]

Here is just my two cents worth. The company is praying that we give in due to the time it takes to get a deal, wear us down, and, histoically we have done just that. Our patience has worn down and we jumped at the deal that was offered, because we were frustrated, and just wanted the deal to be done. There is a whole lot of speculation about what is being offered by both sides, and until a T/A is agreed upon by both parties, it is just that, speculation. It doesn't matter if you have the information on "good authority", or whatever, bottom line is, until we can read the ENTIRE AGREEMENT that is offered, not just the HIGHLIGHT sheet,  if there is ever going to be one offered, it is just that speculation. At that time it is up to each member to read and ask questions about it, and make the decision that is best for you. I know what I will vote yes for, and I know what will be a deal breaker. We have to stand strong together through this, thick and thin, it's the only way to accomplish what we collectively deserve. Don't give in to the company because we have not gotten a raise, or anything else back that we deserve. Don't go for the scraps that the company is going to offer us. We have a voice, it's about time we used it. Rant over.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Some interesting insights to the current leadership and opposition:
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/north-american-machinists-union-slate-challenges-top-leaders-034154078--sector.html
 
"We have not had a contested election since 1961... That means no candidate except the incumbents have ever exceeded the requirement of 25 locals nominating.  Much of the reason for that is the candidates that run are fools and flakes and fops and didn't come up to the level of seriousness required of candidates."  -- Richard Sloan, IAM Spokesman.
 
"Of the Learjet, Sloan noted IAM members make plane at Bombardier Inc and it costs less than commercial flight for the 250 days a year Buffenbarger travels."
 
"According to Department of Labor records, Buffenbarger was paid $304,000 in total compensation in 2012 the latest figure available, up from $293,000 in 2011. Roach's total compensation was $271,000 in 2012 and $258,000 in 2011.
 
Membership has declined to 577,000 active and retired members in 2012 from about 731,000 in 2000 according to Department of Labor."
 
Personally, I would like to see some of the qualifications for both Roach and Buffenbarger besides being in charge for so long. I sense a fair amount of contempt for those who question the Leadership in a legal union election. Large pay raises?  Private Learjet flights? Plunging Membership?  Suspect negotiated contracts?
 
Any elected organization that has not had a serious challenge in over 50 years is probably ripe for some change, especially as the Membership metrics in terms of numbers and compensation has been lousy!

I'm not sure what this INTL leadership has done other than pilferage our union.