2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

The talks did not go well but then again look at the flippin donkeys from dfw formerly tempe their dealing with.... but its even worse by the nmb for not rescheduling or releasing both iam groups. If they were to release both iam groups at same time how fast would those clowns show up and make a deal? I realize in reality that releasing both 141 n 142 is unlikely but just thought of what would transpire if that did happen

The NMB not scheduling meetings doesn't put any pressure on the union. We should still fully expect the company to pay for retro. With retro, it isn't like anyone is losing money if this goes on.  The worst thing that can happen is the NC pushing the panic button [not suggesting they will] and freaking out just to get a deal.  All good things for those who wait is what the saying says.

 

[Black Magic]

Here is just my two cents worth. The company is praying that we give in due to the time it takes to get a deal, wear us down, and, histoically we have done just that. Our patience has worn down and we jumped at the deal that was offered, because we were frustrated, and just wanted the deal to be done. There is a whole lot of speculation about what is being offered by both sides, and until a T/A is agreed upon by both parties, it is just that, speculation. It doesn't matter if you have the information on "good authority", or whatever, bottom line is, until we can read the ENTIRE AGREEMENT that is offered, not just the HIGHLIGHT sheet,  if there is ever going to be one offered, it is just that speculation. At that time it is up to each member to read and ask questions about it, and make the decision that is best for you. I know what I will vote yes for, and I know what will be a deal breaker. We have to stand strong together through this, thick and thin, it's the only way to accomplish what we collectively deserve. Don't give in to the company because we have not gotten a raise, or anything else back that we deserve. Don't go for the scraps that the company is going to offer us. We have a voice, it's about time we used it. Rant over.

 
Agreed.  It will be scraps no doubt and when it gets voted down watch closely how the company "rearranges the scraps" with the same bottom line number to make it more appealing.  Just put something out for the membership to vote on already and get this process started.  Vote it down and get this workforce that much closer to a strike.

 

[ograc]

Here is just my two cents worth. The company is praying that we give in due to the time it takes to get a deal, wear us down, and, histoically we have done just that. Our patience has worn down and we jumped at the deal that was offered, because we were frustrated, and just wanted the deal to be done. There is a whole lot of speculation about what is being offered by both sides, and until a T/A is agreed upon by both parties, it is just that, speculation. It doesn't matter if you have the information on "good authority", or whatever, bottom line is, until we can read the ENTIRE AGREEMENT that is offered, not just the HIGHLIGHT sheet,  if there is ever going to be one offered, it is just that speculation. At that time it is up to each member to read and ask questions about it, and make the decision that is best for you. I know what I will vote yes for, and I know what will be a deal breaker. We have to stand strong together through this, thick and thin, it's the only way to accomplish what we collectively deserve. Don't give in to the company because we have not gotten a raise, or anything else back that we deserve. Don't go for the scraps that the company is going to offer us. We have a voice, it's about time we used it. Rant over.

Pj,
Agree 100%. They wear you down. Both as a NC and as a membership. it's time for all of us, on this forum, to go back to the members they work with and tell them not to give in to the company's strategy. Wait for and carefully review the details of the language in the eventual TA. Get past the hourly compensation. I don't know about you; but I'm tired of settling for the scraps the company throws at us! Time for the NC and the membership to dig in our heels. It's time for both to LOCK and Load!

 

[wings396]

The NMB not scheduling meetings doesn't put any pressure on the union. We should still fully expect the company to pay for retro. With retro, it isn't like anyone is losing money if this goes on.  The worst thing that can happen is the NC pushing the panic button [not suggesting they will] and freaking out just to get a deal.  All good things for those who wait is what the saying says.

Agreed, Retro pay is a MUST. A signing bonus isn't going to cut it with me either. No reason that someone who barely puts in a 40 hour week should get the same as those who have put in more than our 40 per week.

 

[necigrad]

Open letter to the Negotiating Committee:

With the effective massive profits reported by US, and the largess earned by AAL as the analysts view it US Airways has zero excuse in not giving us a decent contract.  In addition, in light of the fact that the company has still failed to respond to the NCs last proposal, I ask that you write a new proposal.  This proposal should be an industry leading contract.  We're now making money hand over fist.  US Airways profit was well over 600 million.  While I know it's not responsible to give that all back to the employees, just to put that in perspective, that's about $6370 per employee at the combined airline.  Looking at just US Airways employee it's well over $17,000 per US employee!  We're doing just fine and the company is laughing at the mediator and the government for not seeing through the charade.  Make the mediator understand.  Show you have the sack to stand up and truly represent us.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Open letter to the Negotiating Committee:
With the effective massive profits reported by US, and the largess earned by AAL as the analysts view it US Airways has zero excuse in not giving us a decent contract.  In addition, in light of the fact that the company has still failed to respond to the NCs last proposal, I ask that you write a new proposal.  This proposal should be an industry leading contract.  We're now making money hand over fist.  US Airways profit was well over 600 million.  While I know it's not responsible to give that all back to the employees, just to put that in perspective, that's about $6370 per employee at the combined airline.  Looking at just US Airways employee it's well over $17,000 per US employee!  We're doing just fine and the company is laughing at the mediator and the government for not seeing through the charade.  Make the mediator understand.  Show you have the sack to stand up and truly represent us.

That is a very good point.

The reality of the situation has changed, usairways is booming and is even making more profits today than the record profits of last year.
To reflect this, the nc should offer a brand new proposal, An industry leading contract should be expected. The bar should be above where amr is, then in joint talks the bar can be raised farther.
but the nc needs to quit the politics and start pushing for a ta that is more than a two year agreement.

 

[700UW]

Maybe you should all write the NMB and tell them to schedule talks or be released.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe you should all write the NMB and tell them to schedule talks or be released.

We don't pay the NMB. We have reps that are suppose to be advocating for this.  Besides, the NMB doesn't bargain and can't do much ado about anything except schedule captive negotiations.  As long as we are negotiating retro, we aren't losing a thing by having the patience. 
 
Honestly, why do you and the NC keep blabbing your mouths about the NMB?  Are you trying to prepare us for a ta that you can blame on the NMB?   What good is it for the NMB to schedule talks if AH is the party of No?  Example,  NMB schedules talks for February 20,  our NC meets with AH and JG, and they say no to our already lame proposal.   I'm all for patience and doing things right.  Not circle jerking folks with pseudo remarks creating larger than life negotiation dates just for a new update.
 
AH knows this game well,  he keeps saying no until the NC finally gives up on everything and brings back a lame TA.  Worked every time thus far.  AH knows these guys put politics and elections ahead of the membership.  Why do you think it's only a two year agreement????  
 
As far as a release, no way in hell does the NMB give a release when the NC put out a false release.  A release means you have come to an impasse and have nothing else to give.  However, your boy Tommy tweaked his last proposal in December.  Even a little tweak will signify movement and halt any release considerations.  Morons!

 

[700UW]

They have to schedule and hold talks in order to get an agreement or be released.
 
Too hard to understand that?
 
You have to use every avenue to get a CBA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

They have to schedule and hold talks in order to get an agreement or be released.
 
Too hard to understand that?
 
You have to use every avenue to get a CBA.

the nmb will not issue a release with tommys head up his arse, tweaking proposals. When a union ask for a release it means impasse. There is no impasse if there is any movement. AH holds his position because we have morons who have little to no education who dumped lav trucks but bought a laptop and has reinvented the term reagonomics. I like tommy but he is AH whipping boy.
if tom had any understanding at all he would increase his proposal since the reality of the situation is that the environment has changed and usairways is making lots more profit than it projected.

We simply cant let tommy bring back his dopey ptoposal asking for alot less than amr at dos. WTF??? Cmon maaaannnn has tommy listened to one member?

 

[rockit2]

It's been so long since we've had a raise ..... who cares now. Let's be the one to say no and let the company make a move.

 

[700UW]

Tommy has more knowledge in his pinky than you have in your whole body.
 
And in bankruptcy and TA there is one IAM group that did better than everyone else, and that is the Maintenance Instructors, and guess who negotiated their CBAs?
 
And Tim you going to seminary school doesnt make you a labor expert.
 
How many classes have you taken at WWW?
 
Lets compare resumes.
 
You dont even realize your division and spreading hate and discontent plays right into Hemenway's hand.
 
But I guess you cant even realize that.

 

[Jester]

I am quite happy to keep voting "No."  I am not willing to accept gimmicks (as in multi-steps to raises), sunset of stations, raising number of weekly flights or any other down-grading of scope.  I really don't care if it takes a decade to get a T.A., and I am "happy enough" with the existing CBA, and what issues I have aren't likely to be addressed with the current round of negotiations (vagueness of contractual language, half pay for sick days, the inane attendance point system, etc.)

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tommy has more knowledge in his pinky than you have in your whole body.
 
And in bankruptcy and TA there is one IAM group that did better than everyone else, and that is the Maintenance Instructors, and guess who negotiated their CBAs?
 
And Tim you going to seminary school doesnt make you a labor expert.
 
How many classes have you taken at WWW?
 
Lets compare resumes.
 
You dont even realize your division and spreading hate and discontent plays right into Hemenway's hands

 

[rockit2]

700
If Tommy is so great why have'nt I had a raise in two years?