2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[rockit2]

Was there any talk of longevity pay or shift differential at the last negotiations?

 

[WeAAsles]

Given those numbers, why would an airline change the system it has carefully devised and add new routes in midsize markets? After all, as the saying goes, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
 
So the cuts continue. Consider Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, a midsize hub that was 40th busiest in the country in 2012. In February, United Airlines announced that it was cutting 60 percent of its flights departing from Cleveland by June.
 
“Our hub in Cleveland hasn’t been profitable for over a decade,” United’s chief executive, Jeff Smisek, wrote in a letter to the airline’s workers in Cleveland. He echoed industry and union complaints that new federal regulations had created a pilot shortage on low-wage-paying regional airlines and accelerated cuts in regional routes. Still, he said, “our decision to reduce our flying was driven by our continued losses in Cleveland.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/business/air-travel-economics-argue-against-midsize-hubs.html?partner=yahoofinance&_r=0

 

[WeAAsles]

My last post just came out and absolutely emphasizes what is happening to all of our small stations and the fact that it's only going to continue into the future. Having our people employed at these airports is a great thing (if we continue to fly there)

 

[robbedagain]

in that last round of talks  was there any talk of retro pay

 

[mike33]

in that last round of talks  was there any talk of retro pay

Tim Knows.....

 

[roabilly]

Tim Quiet...Let Tim speak for himself !!!!!

He " IS" speaking for himself... through Josh!

 

[700UW]

Josh, the bloodbath of 1992 affected me. There is a reason why I am member of Local 1487 and not Local 1725.
Myself and a few good men pushed to keep the Teamsters on the property while I was in CLT, while Charlie Brown, MF [not in CLT at the time but Rockit knows he refused], and Roabilly felt comfortable with no union, and 700 was subverting things by suggesting to folks that it wouldn't be all that bad if the Teamsters were voted out because the IAM could be voted in the next year.  So, although there was a bloodbath, it happened because the Teamsters got voted out, and 700's insistence that going non union would provide the opportunity for the IAM caused great pain on all of us.

Where do I start?
 
Why are you making up things that never occurred?
 
Your post is full of lies.
 
The Union Vote for the ramp with the IBT took place in 1989, how could I be going around in CLT when I was working in TPA at the time and I was Air Cargo?
 
And the IBT only represented BOS, BUF, PHL and PIT.
 
I had nothing do to with their campaign in 1989.
 
I didnt move to CLT till 1991 and I was Utility then.
 
So I never ever campaigned for any union as I was non-union and no one was soliciting us in TPA.
 
So keep up the lies Timothy.
 
The vote for the ramp that took place in 1995, I was in Maintenance and I worked the Fleet campaign for the first vote and the runoff where the IAM won.
 
So please explain to me how I was going around CLT in 1989 for the ramp vote when I wasnt in CLT nor was I involved in the union as I was a non-union ramper.
 
Keep up all the lies Timothy, you just lost more votes with your lies lies and more lies.
 
Dont give up your ramp job to be a non-fiction writer, as your stories will be all filled with lies.

 

[737823]

Wasn't John Carr in charge of organizing the IAM at US, and also made a failed attempt at ticket agents?
 
Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wasn't John Carr in charge of organizing the IAM at US, and also made a failed attempt at ticket agents?
 
Josh

I find 700's comments interesting in that every time his lips move he is lying.
 
I never blocked or got in the way of any union. I filed cards to engage the issue of representation with the ticket agents.  That was in 1992 or so. Had nothing to do with the ramp or any bloodbath, and most importantly NO other union even intervened.   After we [National Federation of Independent Unions] were unsuccessful in removing reservation agents from the list, the case was withdrawn. 
 
For 6 years, the ticket agents still didn't organize.  However, in 1995, the CWA showed an interest and was doing a card signup, the IAM and 700 jumped in and filed a petition with only a handful of cards just to block the ticket agents from getting an election, as the IAM assumed the CWA did not have the cards yet.  700 was completely denying it but all he does is lie.  So, when I questioned him about it, he claimed he stopped organizing for Carr and was more of a book keeper of 1725.  At any rate, only after I posted the truth did he finally admit he been lying.  Kindly review the last page of the casework:
 
24 NMB No. 17
As the result of the investigation and the Board's review of the record, the Board finds that CWA has furnished a sufficient number of authorization cards in support of its application but that the IAM has failed to support its application with a sufficient showing of interest. The Board finds a dispute to exist in R-6435 among Passenger Service Employees of USAir. An all mail ballot election is hereby authorized using a cut-off date of April 21, 1996 with CWA on the ballot. The count will take place in Washington, DC.
By direction of the NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD.
Crable Chief of Staff

 

[ChockJockey]

Tim, when Artie wins that position for AGC are you going to train him via conference call how to file grievances or are you just gonna let him figure it out on his own by tapping his vast reserve of passion?

I just hope I'm not the s.o.b. he'll be cutting his teeth on...

 

[WeAAsles]

1989????? Are you guys really talking about issues from 25 years ago???? I was still practically a pup back then. 24 years young and strong. Man did I have fun and get into tons of trouble back then.

Anyway I think even if you committed murder you just might be out of prison by now?

1989, lol, Love It.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think I even still had my mullet?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think I even still had my mullet?

I really don't mind 700, he isn't a bad dude.  Us sparring just keeps our archives sharp.  
 
He's a dick but so am I and a lot of us on here. Sometimes we are in agreement when it is just pure labor issues, but we almost always branch off with polar opposite politics.  Roa is actually a nice guy as well as Harry who I don't think anyone can say a bad thing about. Hell even Prez.   Someone gotta bust my balls and I don't mind. If I did, I wouldn't be on here.
 
But we are in a dilemma and it has a lot to do with the 2008 agreement and the lack of productivity over the past 6 years which had nothing to do with bankruptcy.

 

[700UW]

I find 700's comments interesting in that every time his lips move he is lying.
 
I never blocked or got in the way of any union. I filed cards to engage the issue of representation with the ticket agents.  That was in 1992 or so. Had nothing to do with the ramp or any bloodbath, and most importantly NO other union even intervened.   After we [National Federation of Independent Unions] were unsuccessful in removing reservation agents from the list, the case was withdrawn. 
 
For 6 years, the ticket agents still didn't organize.  However, in 1995, the CWA showed an interest and was doing a card signup, the IAM and 700 jumped in and filed a petition with only a handful of cards just to block the ticket agents from getting an election, as the IAM assumed the CWA did not have the cards yet.  700 was completely denying it but all he does is lie.  So, when I questioned him about it, he claimed he stopped organizing for Carr and was more of a book keeper of 1725.  At any rate, only after I posted the truth did he finally admit he been lying.  Kindly review the last page of the casework:
 
24 NMB No. 17
As the result of the investigation and the Board's review of the record, the Board finds that CWA has furnished a sufficient number of authorization cards in support of its application but that the IAM has failed to support its application with a sufficient showing of interest. The Board finds a dispute to exist in R-6435 among Passenger Service Employees of USAir. An all mail ballot election is hereby authorized using a cut-off date of April 21, 1996 with CWA on the ballot. The count will take place in Washington, DC.
By direction of the NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD.
Crable Chief of Staff

You are lying again.
 
Carr was the webmaster and Grievance Committee Chairman, Will Cashion was President, Richard Siebert was the Secretary-Treasurer then Todd Vandervelde took over, then Will became ST when he didnt want to run for President again.
 
So explain how Carr was a bookkeeper?
 
I never was involved with the campaign for the CSA and RES, so please explain how I filed a petition?
 
The ramp didnt get certified till 1995, there wasnt even a campaign for the agents yet, and your own posting shows it was 1996.
 
Actually Omer Burdette was the chairman of the organizing committee, not John Carr, and the International along with the District files the cards, not LL 1725's organizing committee.
 
Keep up with the lies and deflection.
 

Josh, the bloodbath of 1992 affected me. There is a reason why I am member of Local 1487 and not Local 1725.
Myself and a few good men pushed to keep the Teamsters on the property while I was in CLT, while Charlie Brown, MF [not in CLT at the time but Rockit knows he refused], and Roabilly felt comfortable with no union, and 700 was subverting things by suggesting to folks that it wouldn't be all that bad if the Teamsters were voted out because the IAM could be voted in the next year.  So, although there was a bloodbath, it happened because the Teamsters got voted out, and 700's insistence that going non union would provide the opportunity for the IAM caused great pain on all of us.

 
Funny you totally ignored the facts gain, so once again explain this:
 
 

Where do I start?
 
Why are you making up things that never occurred?
 
Your post is full of lies.
 
The Union Vote for the ramp with the IBT took place in 1989, how could I be going around in CLT when I was working in TPA at the time and I was Air Cargo?
 
And the IBT only represented BOS, BUF, PHL and PIT.
 
I had nothing do to with their campaign in 1989.
 
I didnt move to CLT till 1991 and I was Utility then.
 
So I never ever campaigned for any union as I was non-union and no one was soliciting us in TPA.
 
So keep up the lies Timothy.
 
The vote for the ramp that took place in 1995, I was in Maintenance and I worked the Fleet campaign for the first vote and the runoff where the IAM won.
 
So please explain to me how I was going around CLT in 1989 for the ramp vote when I wasnt in CLT nor was I involved in the union as I was a non-union ramper.
 
Keep up all the lies Timothy, you just lost more votes with your lies lies and more lies.
 
Dont give up your ramp job to be a non-fiction writer, as your stories will be all filled with lies.

Man up Tim and tell the board you just lied again.
 
You are the most dishonest candidate running for office, you constantly lie and yet when you are called out on it you wont answer.

How do you expect to represent the members when you cant even admit you lied and wont tell the truth?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, when Artie wins that position for AGC are you going to train him via conference call how to file grievances or are you just gonna let him figure it out on his own by tapping his vast reserve of passion?

I just hope I'm not the s.o.b. he'll be cutting his teeth on...

 Well, assuming change wins. 
Artie, myself, and any current AGC's will get whatever training we need, including recurrent. There are plenty of resources that the IAM has, including some of the other AGC"s that will be a part of the leadership.  But I am 24/7 and I'll give any of them assistance, including NH, MM, and FO, as I would assume they would also assist myself.  After offering congratulations to my teammates, the first thing I would do is call MM, FO, and NH and try to get us all to meet and move things forward.  I think it will be an exciting time with joint talks coming up.  I can't be sure but I heard that NH went to some schooling as he may be getting primed for negotiations. 
 
At any rate, getting to know the Local Chairman will also be key, and other than my excitement about June, I'm excited to find out what stations I'll be responsible for.  I have nothing keeping me sitting in ORD [my children are all 22+] so I could go anywhere, anytime, any day. 
 
Getting back to Artie, In PHX, I thought it was awesome that Artie chose to stand in the gap as the PHX Change Committee was seeking out possible candidates.  The column of leadership in PHX was comfortable without change and took a pass.  Not sure if that would have made a difference but I'm impressed with Artie.  And the nominations showed that he had the respect of his coworkers and was endorsed by his home nomination so that confirmed it. 
 
I think there is an infrastructure of education and assistance within this organization that offers the type of support that is second to no other union, so I'm sure all the AGC's, including Artie, will be fine as long as they don't forget where they came from.