2014 Fleet Service Discussion

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How many of the wealthiest, most successful and most powerful people relied on unions to get to where they are today? It was through education and hardwork many achieved their success.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

You got it Mike. How about this one for the readers.
 

Earnings

In 2013, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median 
usual weekly earnings of $950, while those who were not union members had 
median weekly earnings of $750. In addition to coverage by a collective 
bargaining agreement, this earnings difference reflects a variety of 
influences, including variations in the distributions of union members and 
nonunion employees by occupation, industry, firm size, or geographic region. 

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

So citing my original mathematical example once again.

You guys make $850 per week.
NON UNION     %480 per week.
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Difference of $370 per week.

So the average Union against non union makes $200.00 per week more. 

And you guys are making $170.00 per week more than that report. 

Putting that into perspective even after all the BK givebacks I would have to say
that your union is still doing a pretty good job. DON'T YOU THINK!!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

How many of the wealthiest, most successful and most powerful people relied on unions to get to where they are today? It was through education and hardwork many achieved their success.

Josh

And how many very hard working people never get that lucky break or are downsized due to no fault of their own? Lot's of hard luck stories to set the dirge to and they have all the education you could pack in that briefcase of yours man.

Sell your non union pablum somewhere else there junior. Because if you tangle with me I'll make you look like a little cricket with a busted leg. I can throw some pretty tough hard balls to try and hit.

 

[robbedagain]

weaasles  that's excellent way bro of putting it.   that cld also bold for companies like DL    not sure what theyre top out rate is  but then compare it to the top out of a union company  and the union working would most likely come out on top  am I correct Weaasles

 

[WeAAsles]

Now if you look at this example you will notice that there is a big disparity between the average of USair and American air workers. The merger just happened so there will absolutely be some good gains coming down the pipe. The economics of the merger are absolutely going to be met and that warrants improvements.

But also don't fail to notice what the average states. $11.00 per hour.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Baggage_Handler_%28Aviation%2fAirline%29/Hourly_Rate

 

[Kev3188]

We need to stop thinking of OT as part of our income. Capital uses it as a way to rationalize concessions and short staffing both. We make their job easy.

The goal should be total compensation packages that negate any "need" to work more than one's 40.

 

[WeAAsles]

weaasles  that's excellent way bro of putting it.   that cld also bold for companies like DL    not sure what theyre top out rate is  but then compare it to the top out of a union company  and the union working would most likely come out on top  am I correct Weaasles

Robbed I can tell you right now that there are those out there who will try to deceive you into believing that DAL employees are better off than the Union represented ones. I can promise that that is not the case. It's very easy to look at the top out base rate and think everyone is making that They absolutely are not. I have talked to some DAL people who have told me what the reality is on how many make that top rate. We (AA and USAir) have far more than they do.

Of course it's almost impossible to get a complete accurate bead on it since those things aren't disclosed by DAL and there is no union to find that out from. There are social media pages out there where I've read members run down the numbers. Especially during the representational campaign. Most of those employees are afraid and careful to divulge their real names and don't engage much with those they don't know.

 

[Kev3188]

What would you like to know?

Can tell you that a nice base rate makes for a good narrative, but definitely doesn't tell the whole story...

 

[WeAAsles]

We need to stop thinking of OT as part of our income. Capital uses it as a way to rationalize concessions and short staffing both. We make their job easy.

The goal should be total compensation packages that negate any "need" to work more than one's 40.

OT within the airline industry is almost guaranteed. But only a complete numbskull should be considering that as a part of their income. And yes I do understand that many have gotten themselves into the positions where they have no choice but to try and rely on it survive. But it was never meant to be that.

 

[Kev3188]

I think we'd both be amazed at how many bank on it (no pun intended)...

 

[WeAAsles]

I think we'd both be amazed at how many bank on it (no pun intended)...

No I'm not amazed and I'm very sorry that these people are in those positions. Thankfully I'm not. And yes I am just a clerk who lives on clerk wages.

 

[pjirish317]

tim,
 
I didn't ask how secure you felt about phx. I asked how many  people showed up at the local to nominate artie and your ticket? If you do not know that's ok, but my guess is less than 100. Doesn't really speak for all of phx now does it. PRez, do you know how many showed up at the local for nominations in phx?

 

[mike33]

tim,
 
I didn't ask how secure you felt about phx. I asked how many  people showed up at the local to nominate artie and your ticket? If you do not know that's ok, but my guess is less than 100. Doesn't really speak for all of phx now does it. PRez, do you know how many showed up at the local for nominations in phx?

  This vote in june will probably be a record turnout. Much more than the nominations. It will be a record turnout partly because of trying to keep most of the incumbents in and partly to keep the UFC out........jmo

 

[robbedagain]

thanks Weaasles..  and Kev.    As for me  I don't do very much OT for reasons.    I was looking at what the top rate DL employee makes without OT and that and compare it to AA/US    Weaasles  you are very accurate  and I do believe that as we the US folks will end up being close if not onto your level in the not to distant future.   I also do not buy WT theory for one second that DL employees are  better off.  Ive heard from a nmbr of them myself they wish to be union for better wages etc and esp to have a voice.      Kev  I wish you all the best in becoming organized  I firmly believe you all have what it takes and good luck sir!

 

[Harry Callahan]

As much as I hate  to say it lots of people in CLT (I'm guessing they still do) depend on overtime & imo I feel it's sad. While until the last month or so that I worked I couldn't afford to give up much time I almost never worked over time.
 
Harry