2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[rockit2]

 

Wese,
If you had walked in our shoes I think you would see it different. Yes you are in a bankrupt contract. Our CEO made the play on your company,I know they are calling it a merger but the way I see it, we bought you. A deal was cut on your wages by Horton and Parker so the AA people would support the merger. On the US side, we have sacrificed for years to make US profitable now it payback time. It's a slap in the face to work side by side with you guy's and to make less. Of the 1.9 billion of last years profit, US contibuted close to 1.6 of that, look that up in the SEC filing's..

Ok so this whole comment is all about emotions then? I absolutely wouldn't see it differently because emotions never paid any of my bills. And yes USair bought AA just as America west bought Usair. What's your point?
 
JCBA talks may start but it will be years before anything is settled. Athough we may have better scope,vacation , sick time or whatever that's something that we have earned over time and it's unfortunat that the TWU didn't do better for you guy's.

To me the TWU did as great as can be expected in BK court. I look at the ENTIRE value of my CBA not just my base wages. Who gives an RA what I make on the front end if the back of the tube is ripped wide open.

 

The point is we are sec-6 talks and we should not be negiating for less we she be negotiating for wages comparable to UA and DL then in joint talks bring you guy's up to that scale. It's not emotional it's what parker said our wages should be compared too but as you guy's will find out his words are no good.

 

[700UW]

Yea right, rockit, never has happened and never will, I have proven joshie a liar, a fraud and a master of misinformation, it's all black and white. You, him and tim got a new bromance blossoming?

 

[WeAAsles]

The point is we are sec-6 talks and we should not be negiating for less we she be negotiating for wages comparable to UA and DL then in joint talks bring you guy's up to that scale. It's not emotional it's what parker said our wages should be compared too but as you guy's will find out his words are no good.

Those "base" wages you seem to love so much come with a ton of outsourcing from what I understand in both UAL and even more so DAL. Is that really what you're looking for?

Sec 6 is great if the NMB ever was really going to release you without a PEB or an imposed contract by an act of Congress. Get real. You've been reading enough by now to get it.

 

[rockit2]

Yea right, rockit, never has happened and never will, I have proven joshie a liar, a fraud and a master of misinformation, it's all black and white. You, him and tim got a new bromance blossoming?

No three way going on with me.

 

[rockit2]

Those "base" wages you seem to love so much come with a ton of outsourcing from what I understand in both UAL and even more so DAL. Is that really what you're looking for?

Sec 6 is great if the NMB ever was really going to release you without a PEB or an imposed contract by an act of Congress. Get real. You've been reading enough by now to get it.

Even so, the negotiating team should have started higher and the if they had to come down so be it but our pay should be no less than yours and we should not have to wait. We are all in this together, right. Don't we work for the same company?

 

[mike33]

The reality is that, even on this forum, the U4C has more US AIRWAYS support than 141falling when you take out all of the posters who aren't even going to work under any TA and are not even active fleet service members.  All the fringe folks who are on the outside looking in, like 700, WeAAsles, and others don't even have a vote but do want to do their best to manipulate it.  They will be unsuccessful, as we feel very strong about the outcome of this vote.  After the vote, we will be able to continue building this union as our group has the last 6 months, and will have better experienced candidates than the current officers who lack both a skill set or the sorta experience needed to fight for members.   To be sure, there will always be a pro management crowd that will want to continue supporting the current group but it has diminished greatly.

 
  You may have sold yourself for information and i believe you did it out of spite not support. I think AH knows he has someone to rely on during Joint talks. Problem for him is that i don't believe you will be involved, even if you do get elected. Pompous all you want but i think you may have been set up by him with information that was false in his attempt to break the NC. Well they are not going to break. If the next talks produce a TA then i think you will see that. 
  I don't know what the wage will be and i don't know all the details, but i will put 2 + 2 together and make 4 period. If it's 1+ 3 then it's still 4 in my opinion.
 
RE: Fringe posters. I think you will agree that education is a good thing and thats what they bring to this forum. Education and opinions. I don't see them trying to manipulate anything. I see you taking offense to the revelations of your past history coming to light. Thats part of being a leader. Own Your Past!

 

[Tim Nelson]

While I admit that I don't know much about usairways, it appears on this forum that the change supporters are the most knowledgeable and forthright.  Also it looks like the 141falling team, and their 4 or 5 regular posters,  are scrambling and instead of answering easy questions, they revert to hating on Tim.  This suggest to me that most of the usairways members are tired of being lied to by Delaney and his team. If so then change will be a clean sweep everywhere.  Speaking for Chicago I'd have to say that most of us are actually excited this time to go vote and it's going to be very brutal on 141falling.
 
Maybe instead of being bitter about losing their place in the kiss ass line and hating on Tim, maybe they should have done a good job and not taken the members for granted.  They will have themselves to blame when this is done, and my hope is that Tim and the whole U4C team can continue moving our union forward.

I think the over/under will be the first team to 3,500 votes. That means about 7,000 or somewhere between 15%-20% of the membership.  Anything on top of that and it will be a U4C runaway. You are correct about ORD and the weather seems pretty good so I'd expect at least 1,000 voters there. Some on my ticket think 2,000 but I think that is wishful thinking. At any rate, we should slam the top 7 stations with tons and tons of U4C support, I'd be shocked if it wasn't just a brutal onslaught.

 

[WeAAsles]

Even so, the negotiating team should have started higher and the if they had to come down so be it but our pay should be no less than yours and we should not have to wait. We are all in this together, right. Don't we work for the same company?

Stop focusing solely on the pay brother. Besides I'm sure your NC started on the moon when they first went in? It always goes that way it seems. We shoot for the moon and the company shoots for the gutter. Both sides aim for the ridiculous and it takes years to get to reasonable.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think the over/under will be the first team to 3,500 votes. That means about 7,000 or somewhere between 15%-20% of the membership.  Anything on top of that and it will be a U4C runaway. You are correct about ORD and the weather seems pretty good so I'd expect at least 1,000 voters there. Some on my ticket think 2,000 but I think that is wishful thinking. At any rate, we should slam the top 7 stations with tons and tons of U4C support, I'd be shocked if it wasn't just a brutal onslaught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD4q3leE5Uw

 

[WeAAsles]

 
  You may have sold yourself for information and i believe you did it out of spite not support. I think AH knows he has someone to rely on during Joint talks. Problem for him is that i don't believe you will be involved, even if you do get elected. Pompous all you want but i think you may have been set up by him with information that was false in his attempt to break the NC. Well they are not going to break. If the next talks produce a TA then i think you will see that. 
  I don't know what the wage will be and i don't know all the details, but i will put 2 + 2 together and make 4 period. If it's 1+ 3 then it's still 4 in my opinion.

Exactly. I don't care if you guys wind up with dramatic improvements over my contract. I'm going to applaud you for having it. The position needs to be focused on taking the best of both and negotiating to combine those. Not being silly and pointing fingers saying "It's not fair boo hoo"

Jealousy and emotions don't help Jack.
 
 
RE: Fringe posters. I think you will agree that education is a good thing and thats what they bring to this forum. Education and opinions. I don't see them trying to manipulate anything. I see you taking offense to the revelations of your past history coming to light. Thats part of being a leader. Own Your Past!

Owning your past is the sign of two things. A leader and a man.

 

[Kev3188]

Oh and don't get me wrong people. There is a part of me deep down inside that says give me $30 per hour and dump all those little stations with a buyout package so they don't come into my hub.

Problem is I don't really like that little part of me. But I know he exists.

Problem is most people in the hubs give him a great big hug every time Section 6 talks start.
 
 

The question remains, what have your boys done in 6 years? The members want to know.

Guys, like Tim or not, this is a question you all need to ask yourselves honestly. If you like what they've done (or haven't done), vote accordingly. If you don't, vote accordingly.
 
 

On the one hand you have a man on the outside of a room and the door has no windows telling everyone here that he knows what is happening on the inside.

 
The room should not only have lots of windows, it should have a sh*t ton of chairs. Just sayin'...
 

This one makes a lot of sense. Especially with someone who has an ax to grind having been removed from a union position, not once but twice. Also don't forget that he has tried to make inroads with some of our people as well since the merger was announced.

I may have missed the context here, but why wouldn't someone want to get to know people on the other side? if nothing else, building relationships builds solidarity...
 
 

I firmly believe Change is good it stimulates the process of going forward not staying in the same old rut.

+1
 
 

Those "base" wages you seem to love so much come with a ton of outsourcing from what I understand in both UAL and even more so DAL. Is that really what you're looking for?

Sec 6 is great if the NMB ever was really going to release you without a PEB or an imposed contract by an act of Congress. Get real. You've been reading enough by now to get it.

The US NC should be aiming high and expecting nothing less.

As for the NMB & co. know the rules so you can bend them properly. We have all seen labor leaders point to the "rules" as an excuse for throwing in the towel. Everyone on this board knows the deck is stacked against labor. Aim for the fences anyway.
 
 

Stop focusing solely on the pay brother.

Amen.

 

[WeAAsles]

I may have missed the context here, but why wouldn't someone want to get to know people on the other side? if nothing else, building relationships builds solidarity... 

During the minor raid attempt just before the association was announced, Mr Nelson came on our FB Group pages to advise and provide ammunition "AGAINST" that push. What he didn't know were two things. #1 we knew very well who Tim was and all the things he's done in his past and #2 that we were well aware of him saying the exact opposite of the things he was saying there on here. On the FB pages he was saying how great the TWU is and how the IAM doesn't stand a chance and on here he was saying how horrible the TWU is and they don't stand a chance.

Credibility zero.

What I think really shocked Tim is the fact that almost within minutes after the association was announced we turned on him. He thought he was using us when the exact opposite was the reality. Can't be much fun for him to realize he was suckered.

Some leadership material there huh?
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

 

I may have missed the context here, but why wouldn't someone want to get to know people on the other side? if nothing else, building relationships builds solidarity... 

During the minor raid attempt just before the association was announced, Mr Nelson came on our FB Group pages to advise and provide ammunition "AGAINST" that push. What he didn't know were two things. #1 we knew very well who Tim was and all the things he's done in his past and #2 that we were well aware of him saying the exact opposite of the things he was saying there on here. On the FB pages he was saying how great the TWU is and how the IAM doesn't stand a chance and on here he was saying how horrible the TWU is and they don't stand a chance.

Credibility zero.

What I think really shocked Tim is the fact that almost within minutes after the association was announced we turned on him. He thought he was using us when the exact opposite was the reality. Can't be much fun for him to realize he was suckered.

Some leadership material there huh?
 

 

Laughable. Completely inaccurate.  Turned on who?  When I was I ever with you in anything?  

 

[700UW]

Laughable. Completely inaccurate.

Pot meet Kettle!

 

[WeAAsles]

Laughable. Completely inaccurate.  Turned on who?  When I was I ever with you in anything?  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQuKXGOoqUc