2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

I agree, business is business and money money and other employees depend on the work.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I personally could not ever support anybody who has never even been a shop steward for AGC or any other position. That is unfair to the members I have always tried to serve. 
 
P. Rez   

But you can support many, including yourself, who endorsed the anti union United Airline agreement? 

 

[mike33]

But you can support many, including yourself, who endorsed the anti union United Airline agreement? 

Thats the problem with Politics... you can never really express how you feel regarding a subject if it's " Out of Camp"
 
I feel for you guys. I really do.
 
I would never be a good Team Mate !
 
Until the that political bar is lowered, it will always be guilt by association. No matter what.

 

[cltrat]

But you can support many, including yourself, who endorsed the anti union United Airline agreement? 

I have said it before and will again, we can argue all this grievance time limit crap to death but this election is ultimately going to be a referendum on that UA agreement 

 

[P. REZ]

But you can support many, including yourself, who endorsed the anti union United Airline agreement? 

Tim,
 
I will not discuss this because I support the ticket. If you want to spoil my name and people believe you that is what has to happen. I will not support people who have never even been a shop steward or served this membership in any capacity. PERIOD. I have this membership in mind every day and if they punish me election day for not backing away from my ticket then they punish me. I do my job and if you go to PHX and ask anyone who has been on GC past or present, I believe that I have 100% support from all of them. Why may you ask? Because they have seen my drive and determination in fighting the good fight. 
 
P. Rez    

 

[necigrad]

It looks like the last time multiple groups from the same airline were released at the same time was 1983 at CO.  That certianly is 'a while' or 'a long time'.  In reality however the time is irrelevant; there haven't been multiple groups at the same airline vvery close to the same timeline to compare.  I believe the list has one at AA that MIGHT be comparable, but it's seperated by several months.  In other words, I don't believe it's accurate to suggest that it's not done or hasn't been done in a long time with the implication that the NMB has changed their practices.

Secondly, let's consider part of why we even have the RLA; to protect the economy and public from transportation isruption.  It's actually BETTER all around for everyone to be released together, as everything is in one package.

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

 

[necigrad]

CB, PRez, anyone else on the NC, is there any chance of the membership being able to see the last offer?

 

[mike33]

CB, PRez, anyone else on the NC, is there any chance of the membership being able to see the last offer?

I can't imagine why that is not possible. It may even help. 

 

[700UW]

Well the IAM and the AFA both have language in their CBAs to be able to honor a picket line.

 

[Kev3188]

I would love to get that release but history seems to suggest that it will never happen, which brings me to this question. what happens if they say they are not going to release?

 
This may (or may not) help:

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/collbarg2.pdf
 

I have said it before and will again, we can argue all this grievance time limit crap to death but this election is ultimately going to be a referendum on that UA agreement

 
I agree. In fact, I kinda hope that's how it goes, since I would really like this downward trend in the industry to stop.
 

It's actually BETTER all around for everyone to be released together, as everything is in one package.

Yes it is. And in industries not covered by the RLA, where CBAs actually expire, you can line up several to start/end at the same time in the same facility/city/etc. That's HUGE leverage.

 

[700UW]

Well the AFA and the IAM both have the language to honor a picket line and that AFA arbitrated the article and won.

 

[Kev3188]

Well the IAM and the AFA both have language in their CBAs to be able to honor a picket line.

I'm glad to hear it. Should it come down to it, let's hope either group (or both) enforces it.

 

[700UW]

When we as the Mechanic and Related went on strike in 1992, the AFA honored our picket line, US went to court to get a TRO ro force them back to work, then the language was arbitrated and the AFA won, so AFA and all three IAM CBAs have the same language.

 

[T5towbar]

I have said it before and will again, we can argue all this grievance time limit crap to death but this election is ultimately going to be a referendum on that UA agreement

.....and it should be.
Any agreement MUST be better than ours. A low bar was set, and I'm quite sure with dogged determination, it will be much better than ours. You have the leverage. Use it!

 

[Tim Nelson]

.....and it should be.Any agreement MUST be better than ours. A low bar was set, and I'm quite sure with dogged determination, it will be much better than ours. You have the leverage. Use it!

i dont believe our nc will use any leverage. Most likely, they are hyping then play up a dopey ta and put on the divisive negative spin that if the ta doesnt get passed yhen we are screwed. Its what iam141 eboard does.

These guys talk really big like your reps did at united but then they supported management in the end game and hosed you guys.

Unfortunately, until it happens "again" to the usairways members, some will drink the kool aid. Proposing only a two year deal with a dos wage that is less than bankrupt sAA is a joke. They are all talk and love to lie but they will be found out.